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Akula
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Reply #10 - Sep 11th, 2010 at 12:50pm
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My cousins and I bushwhacked a camp on Lake Agnes in the BW not too long ago. I have never been in during the busy season, so I didn't know what to expect. I had heard the Moose River North entry was popular, but I had no idea it was going to be THAT popular. It was like a Wal-Mart parking lot up there, tons of cars and tons of people. And here I was, leading my cousins from Tennessee, after promising them a legit wilderness experience...

All of the groups heading towards the exit told us that they had trouble finding sites. Nina Moose was full, Agnes was full, and we were told to expect the same all the way to / on LLC.

Long story short: it was getting late, it was windy, and my cousins were not going to make it any further. The sun was setting and we passed campsite after campsite with no vacancies. I spotted what looked like a campsite from the water, but turned out to be an old site (?) with a fire ring and a big clearing but no latrine. We camped way back in the trees, and pulled the canoes up far into the woods so we couldn't be seen from the lake. At sunrise the next morning, we headed out, and grabbed a designated site just as its occupants were leaving.

There were a few worried groups that passed us the next few afternoons / evenings, saying everything was full from LLC down. We offered to let one group camp with us, but they weren't interested. I bet a lot of people bushwhacked that weekend. The rangers stopped by an hour after we set up at the legit site. We didn't mention the bushwhack but they didn't look like they would have cared too much.

Despite the crowds, we still had a great time. But I didn't expect the bushwhack night. If it's your only option vs. paddling in the dark, and you get back from the water, LNT etc., I don't see the point of issuing a fine. Lower the number of permits first.
  
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Reply #11 - Sep 11th, 2010 at 4:46pm
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Akula,  What time of the year did you go?
  
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Reply #12 - Sep 11th, 2010 at 6:13pm
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Akula,  What time of the year did you go?


This was about a month ago. Our entry was August 5th and our exit was August 9th.

It was my first time in the BW during summer season, and also my first time not solo. I don't plan on doing either again any time soon.



edit: just in case it sounds like I'm bitching, I'm not. We had a good time despite the unexpected crowds. I'll just be a little more careful with entry point and season selection for the next trip.
  
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Reply #13 - Sep 11th, 2010 at 6:27pm
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I remember even back in the late seventies and early eighties August was a terrible month to find decent campsites all the way to LLC. As I was coming out the Friday of Memorial weekend on Little Indian Souix it was the same way... Group after group of people coming in expecting to camp on the lakes closest in. I always plan to make it in quite a ways during those busiest times. You'd be surprized the people that don't go in any farther than those initial lakes... The BWCA is not a place to go in most cases to find the solitude you might expect in most places. But the early and late times of the year can be good. Seeing people doesn't bother me as much as what the impact we have on the land. I think the forest service does a pretty good job controlling that. I suppose they could reduce the number of permits they issue, but I think the outfitter business might suffer a bit from that... So I would hope they wouldn't come down to hard on people that "had to" bushwack a campsite like in your case. People like me probably screw up their permit numbers by staying out there a long time, and traveling distances where I'm still legal, but in areas where they don't plan on me being... if that makes any sence.
  
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Reply #14 - Sep 11th, 2010 at 11:10pm
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Am I correct in my assumption that in Quetico you can camp anywhere you want (or have to?)  On our recent trip into Q we got stuck one night on Rouge Lake, of all places.  I mean, talk about a back water, the Lake is little more than a pond between Jean and the marsh that leads into Sturgeon.  Not exactly the place where you'd expect to find people lining up for camp sites. It only had one site marked on my map and wouldn't you know it, when we got there (in itself an act of desperation) it was taken.  We found a rather stark slab of nearby rock and moss to pitch camp.  It was far from the nicest camp site we stayed at but I must say it was probably the most beautiful dawn I can remember with both the moon and sun in full view and the mist rising.
  
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Reply #15 - Sep 11th, 2010 at 11:15pm
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"People like me probably screw up their permit numbers by staying out there a long time, and traveling distances where I'm still legal, but in areas where they don't plan on me being... if that makes any sence."

I think it is those who do not travel much beyond the first lake or two which skew the permit numbers and crowd things up.  It also seems close in to the access points that it is busiest around the weekends when the most campers are coming and going on their trips. 
I agree that once you get a day or two into the BW you leave the crowds behind.
  
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Reply #16 - Sep 13th, 2010 at 1:09pm
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"Am I correct in my assumption that in Quetico you can camp anywhere you want (or have to?)"


that is correct - at least for the present, unless they "fix" something that isn't broken in the current planning phase for Q
  
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Reply #17 - Sep 19th, 2010 at 2:21am
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Be aware that they do fine people for camping in non designated sites. They would rather you double up on a site, but if there is more than 9 people at the site they will fine you. No place in the rules does it say if you are camping at a site, nobody else can camp there. It only says you must camp at a designated site and more than 9 people cannot be there.
It would be best to ask people first to get how they will feel about it, but IMO, anybody who expects solitude should be going elsewhere, or go DEEP into BWCA to find it. I wouldn't want to camp a a site where I wasn't wanted, but you might be surprised, many people would welcome someone, for a night anyway.
If you object to camping where there is already somebody there, well keep in mind beggers can't be choosy, it is your mistake so live with it.
  
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Reply #18 - Sep 19th, 2010 at 12:20pm
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As a noob doing the big loop in quetico I had caught a 3 lb walleye that I had intended to shore lunch. A big family of Canadians paddled by and the Grandpa had a keen interest in the fish. Naturally I offered it to them and they gladly accepted. 3 hours later with a storm brewing I passed them and they insisted I share their site, which I did. They were a very nice family.

The moral of the story? If you intend to camp with others, bring some fish!
  
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Reply #19 - Sep 20th, 2010 at 2:37pm
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MT,

That just proves the old adage:
" What go's around, comes around"
I wouldn't intrude on a taken site, unless the alternative was to risky for my comfort level
I also wouldn't deny ANYONE shelter if they were in the same circumstances.
I would object IF they're were other sites available but mine was their choice and I beat them too it Wink
  
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