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Kenny B
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Sep 6th, 2010 at 2:59pm
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I was reading on the Inukshuk forum (yes, i'm one of those now) about new Quetico restrictions and this question came up.  I decided to ask you guys here what you think... First, I must confess, back in 2003 I was in BWCA and we camped on a non-designated campsite.  This happened the first night out because we left in the morning from the outfitter (no-tow) and did a few portages into Basswood.  Being perfectly dumb and unaware, we didn't even think about finding a campsite till maybe 4-6 pm.  We were fishing while traveling and that ate up time.  Of course you're not suppose to do something like this but we figured there are plenty of campsites but this time they were all taken.  Being tired and worn we kept looking and paddling around the lake, everything was taken.  Finally we saw an island that had a nice enough shoreline to land the canoe and pulled up in... this was gonna be it for the night.  It was already getting dark.   There was evidence that people had camped here before because of the fire ring made of stone.   There was room for tents and there we stayed.   I felt really guilty the whole time, like for sure we are gonna get busted, but we were okay.

So what does one do when this happens?  It was bad planning on our part but now we know better.
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Reply #1 - Sep 6th, 2010 at 3:36pm
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Sometimes our group has had the same problem...no available campsite because all were taken.  I have only had this problem in the BWCA at very busy areas in mid-summer and August which seems to be the busiest season.
We have paddled hours and miles past where we had planned to stop, just looking for an available site.  We recently had to do this twice, going in and coming out, on the west end of Knife Lake.  There we "raced" a pair of Forest Service people to the second to last campsite, but lost  Lips Sealed  and finally ended up at the very last campsite of over a dozen possible.
Other places we've had the same problem were Basswood River, top and bottom areas, and LacLaCroix near the Nina Moose route in/out.  On this route Agnes Lake is also often filled up.
The best solution is to start out earlier in the day so you can stop earlier in the afternoon.  I see a lot of people settling on a new site as early as 3:00 in the afternoon.
I keep an eye out for the numbers of canoe parties both ahead of me and behind me during the day.  If it is looking very busy around me, I start looking for a site sooner rather than later during the day.  When passing, I often will ask someone coming from the area of our destination if they have seen any open campsites on the way.
  
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Reply #2 - Sep 6th, 2010 at 8:37pm
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I was reading on the Inukshuk forum (yes, i'm one of those now) about new Quetico restrictions and this question came up.  I decided to ask you guys here what you think... First, I must confess, back in 2003 I was in BWCA and we camped on a non-designated campsite.  This happened the first night out because we left in the morning from the outfitter (no-tow) and did a few portages into Basswood.  Being perfectly dumb and unaware, we didn't even think about finding a campsite till maybe 4-6 pm.  We were fishing while traveling and that ate up time.  Of course you're not suppose to do something like this but we figured there are plenty of campsites but this time they were all taken.  Being tired and worn we kept looking and paddling around the lake, everything was taken.  Finally we saw an island that had a nice enough shoreline to land the canoe and pulled up in... this was gonna be it for the night.  It was already getting dark.   There was evidence that people had camped here before because of the fire ring made of stone.   There was room for tents and there we stayed.   I felt really guilty the whole time, like for sure we are gonna get busted, but we were okay.

So what does one do when this happens?  It was bad planning on our part but now we know better.


If you were busted by the authorities I am sure they would let you go after a warning.  They don't want tired canoeists looking for camp sites in the dark.  That could be dangerous.  You might get an earful, but I doubt they would fine you.
  
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Reply #3 - Sep 6th, 2010 at 9:03pm
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I felt really guilty the whole time, like for sure we are gonna get busted, but we were okay.


On a canoe trip?   Huh  Why go if your gonna load that in the canoe?  Leave the guilt at home.

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Reply #4 - Sep 7th, 2010 at 5:53am
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Ahhh, fond memories. That's what happens when you're young, dumb and invincible. We were fishing all day too. When it began to get dark, we began looking for a site as we fished until it started to rain and got black to the point we were paddling by flashlight.

Our hastily set up makeshift accommodations served us very well though. It looks miserable but I'll still say it was one of the most comfortable night's sleep I've ever had anywhere. Breakfast was a pain though. We never brought a stove back then. We were manly men but the only suitable place for a fire was on a small shoreline rock.

All we did there was sleep and eat so there was not much evidence of our passing. Even 'firerock' was left as we found it, which surprised the heck out of me.

We basically paddled the entire shoreline and were within a hundred yards of a rapids and knew the portage was on the other side so we were simply out of options. What we didn't know was there was a campsite on our side of the rapids. DOH!

I was just on that lake a few weeks ago. I've gone out of my way to paddle by in the past just for chuckles (it's pretty thick there) but I had forgotten all about it. Thanks for the blast from the past PJ.

I should add that the $9.99, (circa 1980) 6 x 9 K-Mart tarp in out of fashion international orange made our lives much more comfortable on a number of occasions for a lot of years. I don't know why we so considered it cheating back then. The one burner stove I bought a couple years later generated a lot of distain as well until a long day that ended in nasty wind and rain made it's space and weight appreciated.
  
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Reply #5 - Sep 9th, 2010 at 6:13pm
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If it comes down to camping on a non-designated site or risking injury/death traveling in the dark or high winds, I'd risk the fine and stay where I needed too.

db, set a good example. Leave little or no trace and don't let it bother you.

I wouldn't be building a big fire or partying on a non-designated site, but the rangers know it happens, and I imagine they deal with it on a case by case basis Wink
  
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Reply #6 - Sep 9th, 2010 at 7:20pm
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Ahhh, fond memories. That's what happens when you're young, dumb and invincible. We were fishing all day too. When it began to get dark, we began looking for a site as we fished until it started to rain and got black to the point we were paddling by flashlight.


Reminds me of my first/last/only solo trip I ever did.  BWCA, 1991 I think.  It started raining too.  I pulled my canoe up onto the floating bog on Koma Lake, extracted a tarp, sleeping pad and sleeping bag, pushed the pack up to bow, laid the pad on the bottom of the canoe, crawled in the bag and pulled the tarp over me and the canoe.  I think my face is still a little swollen from the mosquito feast.
  
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Reply #7 - Sep 10th, 2010 at 1:26pm
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I'm all for safety but there is something about common sense too.  This year a scout group came paddling into a lake we were staying on at about 8:00 PM.  The lake only had 3 sites and all the sites were full on the lake and they looked beat.  They decided to set up camp on the portage on the other end of the lake.

Now that may all be well and good if they were tired and needed to be safe and was the only spot big enough for their large group.  The part that really irked me was that they decided to sleep in the next morning and when we tried to leave the lake at 7:30 they were all sleeping in their tents while their canoes were left in the way to try and get out at the portage.  I will say I was not too quiet as I had to get on shore and move their canoes so we could continue on our way.

I do know of another group that had set up camp on a non designated site because of all the other sites being full on a lake and they did get a hefty fine (I believe $125 about 3 years ago) from the ranger the next morning before they could leave the spot.
  
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Reply #8 - Sep 10th, 2010 at 5:10pm
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Only stories I have heard is rangers giving fines, not showing sympathy.
  
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Reply #9 - Sep 11th, 2010 at 3:36am
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My last conversation with the rangers (see: What would you do? this section of posts) leads me to believe they are encouraged to keep to the "letter of the law" and a fine might follow an infraction of the rules, should you be discovered to have been thinking outside the box.  Huh
Sounds like the scout party who camped on the portage was both DESPERATE and DUMB (or at least not very thoughtful).  Shocked
  
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