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Poll Question: Did you offer opinions/comments on the QPP management plan?



« Created by: db on: Oct 15th, 2010 at 5:24am »

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Re: QPP management plan comments
Reply #20 - Oct 25th, 2010 at 12:55am
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I think you would still be able to choose your campsite, just as you do in the BWCAW.  It's just that you would not be able to camp on any site that was not designated as a campsite.  I can't imagine there being a problem finding unoccupied sites in Quetico, as there seems to be fewer paddlers in the park than ten or twenty years ago.  Obviously some areas would need more sites than other areas.

I'd rather not see "no-camping" signs in the backcountry.  People might just rip these down and camp there anyway.

My guess is that designated sites would be indicated by a fire ring and shown on park maps.  BWCA-type latrines aren't really needed except on the more heavily-used, easily accessed parts of the park, and I can't imagine that they would be installed anywhere in the interior in the foreseeable future.

The park currently encourages users to burn their toilet paper, as that stuff does not break down for years.  Burning TP should be a requirement.
  
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Re: QPP management plan comments
Reply #21 - Oct 27th, 2010 at 4:30pm
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Arctic wrote on Oct 24th, 2010 at 6:14pm:

I met a group of junior rangers on Mc Dougall Lake this summer.  They were in the process of documenting with GPS every campsite in Quetico.  My impression from talking with them is that there will eventually be designated campsites in Quetico.


Arctic,

Do you know from what base they were starting, Legacy Forest GIS, etc?  Many of us have knowledge of camp sites that are not on any maps and aren't on the Legacy Forest database.  Seems like the task would take many years and lots of searching and verification to actually log all of the "established" campsites. 

I know of several sites not on any map or the Legacy Forest database. I also have a few choice sites off the beaten path that are not recognizable from the lake or even from the shore.  Only way you would find them is if you see a canoe at shore, or see people occupying it.  And they don't get much use because of this.

I guess I find that task exceedingly difficult and lengthy.  However, I would be happy to be on the ranger team!Smiley Smiley Smiley
  
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Re: QPP management plan comments
Reply #22 - Oct 27th, 2010 at 10:27pm
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I don't think they find every campsite as you say.  Depending on the " plan" they might not need too?

I'm guessing they'll funnel paddlers along pre-determined corridors with the afore mentioned campsites. You could day-trip off of your chosen route, but not camp.

Unless they do something like that, how can they ever enforce designated campsites?

Only way I see, is if they narrow down the areas they have too " patrol" and figure a way to check on " illegal" camping.

Maybe they have an account with Google Earth Grin
  
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Reply #23 - Oct 28th, 2010 at 2:43am
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From what I saw they were paddling the entire shoreline of the lakes they passed through on their route, and documenting every site they could find.  They seemed pretty thorough, and were out all summer, along with other crews.

No doubt they will miss some "sites", but there are countless places where you could camp, ranging back onto high ridges, etc.  But these wouldn't matter anyway, if they require the use of designated campsites.
  
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Re: QPP management plan comments
Reply #24 - Oct 28th, 2010 at 7:45am
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Having paddled the Park for ~10 years before we figured out there were printed maps w/ red dots on 'em, (DOH! Woohoo!) it's always seemed to me that the McKenzie/Beymer... dots hit the highlights you couldn't miss with a baseball bat and that was fine at the time. After a year or two, we'd often try to get as far away from them as possible. Back when we'd do spring recon trips, they always seemed like cheating somehow and that hasn't changed much for me at least. It's good to know you have a fallback when needed. Some are just too good to pass up when available. Everyone can appreciate a nice landing and room to stretch out. Mud and worse things were normally avoided. Easy works.

I have to take inventory every year. I absolutely hate it because I get to pay pay tax on every dumb idea I can count. Besides, Q's been Q for a hundred+ years. I guess it's about time they knew what they had in stock eh?

Would "cutting" a site perhaps be something you would do with a can in your hand? I don't believe that's what anyone is concerned with but if anyone is I could see that being better handled with a request than a rule and it probably would have the same effect (it would on me at least). Hmmm, suddenly, caching a pack at multiple red dots doesn't seem so bad after all.

Personally, the maps currently available are already overkill to a large degree. Progress is not what the Q that I have grown to know & love needs. Dumbing it down to something the lowest common denominator can fuctor in won't make her any more appealing to me or anyone else IMO.
  
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Re: QPP management plan comments
Reply #25 - Oct 29th, 2010 at 9:58pm
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This was the first year that I brought maps that showed SOME of the campsites, but also showed sites that don't really exist in reality.  The online, Paddler's Campsite Database for Quetico also shows the location of numerous sites that don't really exist. 

Since 1979 I have always used the park map, which at a scale of two miles to the inch, is plenty good.

Personally, I don't much like the idea of having to camp on designated sites in Quetico, especially as there seems to be fewer users now than there were twenty years ago.  I'm convinced that this will be required soon, though.
  
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