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Reply #30 - Nov 15th, 2010 at 3:33pm
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Preacher wrote on Nov 13th, 2010 at 10:55pm:
Someone over at solotripping did a nice write-up of various fire starters.
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I've never had a problem, knock wood.  Many things I carry are excellent fire starters from BabyBell cheese to stove fuel.


Interesting test.
I use the paraffin wax/dryer lint method with a twist.
Insert one of those trick b-day candles into egg cup before was hardens.
The trick candle once lit won't extinguish because it's made with magnesium powder.  For emergency situations or when you just don't want to mess with other less reliable methods.

Dry birch bark/pine cone's are my what I look for normally.
  
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Reply #31 - Nov 15th, 2010 at 5:53pm
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Ancient_Angler wrote on Nov 14th, 2010 at 3:50am:
I miss Les Stroud's show.

I miss watching him set fire to his shelters!   Cheesy



Love the trick candle trick.  Very clever.
  
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Re: Interesting read of survival
Reply #32 - Nov 15th, 2010 at 10:33pm
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Preacher wrote on Nov 15th, 2010 at 5:53pm:
Ancient_Angler wrote on Nov 14th, 2010 at 3:50am:
I miss Les Stroud's show.

I miss watching him set fire to his shelters!   Cheesy

Did he do that more than twice?  I remember one was on a kayak trip in Alaska and another where he made a shelter against the roots of a toppled tree. Grin

I've also noticed that most of these shows (when showing fire-making) go from ember to flame in a matter of just a few seconds.  (I wonder how many takes it took to accomplish that ... or if, between cuts, there wasn't a cigarette lighter involved).

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Reply #33 - Nov 16th, 2010 at 2:04am
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They surely would not fake anything on reality TV. Wink
  
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Reply #34 - Nov 16th, 2010 at 4:57am
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No way...we are all honest folk and everything that you read in books is true too! Wink
  
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Reply #35 - Nov 16th, 2010 at 6:39pm
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'Only' twice as I recall.  Still too funny.

Learning the skill of fire from an ember does take a lot of practice and patience.  I've tried a couple times and not succeeded yet.  I wouldn't be surprised if what Stroud shows is essentially what he does.  He seems to show his failures as much as his victories.

There's a common & legit practice in documentary film-making about taking licence with certain aspects.  If it's too dangerous to film live or the footage sucks it's acceptable to stage it IF the staging is true to the reality.

That Man vs. Wild guy, Gryllys(?) pushes the boundries.  He's out there with a 2+ person camera crew and likely a sound guy too.  Stroud is out there alone.  The two don't compare.
  
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Reply #36 - Nov 17th, 2010 at 1:06pm
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i have a PFD with big pockets, and a waterproof ditch kit behind me in the canoe.

Since I don't paddle whitewater, I've never been concerned about my ability to get the ditch kit out of the canoe before/in case we're separated. (Now I wonder if I should be worried about that.)

But anyway, three things I carry that haven't been mentioned:

In the PFD, one of those baclava head and neck covers, like bicyclists wear in the winter. Plus a few of those chemical hand warmer shake-em-up things. Obviously for one-time use only, but I figure (I think it was MadMatt who gave me the idea) they'd help get me over the chill associated with the dunking.

And in the bag, instead of a wire saw, which I've never really heard great things about, a small, extremely light hatchet. Gerber model. Sharp as a razor, hard plastic handle. Notch the branches, then break for firewood or to build a shelter. A lot easier on the hands, and it, literally, weighs ounces.

Have a space blanket and rain gear, wool hat, gloves and socks. No sleeping bag, but then I've not gone solo yet, so my approach is different.

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Reply #37 - Nov 17th, 2010 at 1:18pm
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Oh, and regarding cooking the fish ...

On this last trip, I tried doing this to cook a fish sans utensils, and it worked:

Gut the fish, cut off head, tail and fins, and carefully ease out the spine and ribs. Spread the fish.

Cut a long stick, say 18 inches to 24 inches long, and split halfway down, then sharpen the unsplit end.

Cut two smaller sticks for the "crossbeams," and sharpen their ends.

Impale either ends of those sticks into sides of "opened" fish, one at the top and one at the bottom, to hold it open.

Slide that assembly inbetween the split ends of the big stick, with the big stick essentially replacing the spine of the fish.

Tie the ends of the split stick back together, so it squeezes everything together.

You're left with the fish essentially "crucified" (forgive the unintentional blasphemy) on a cross that has two crossbeams.

Then stick the pointed end into the ground with the stick at an angle over some coals.

Spin 180 degrees at the proper time to cook the other side of the thick part of the meat that ran along the spine. (I used a smallmouth).

You then scrape the meat away from the skin to eat.

Having said that, however, I think the guy in this story was one baaad due, and I am filled with admiration and respect.

To never panic, to stay optimistic, to keep on keeping on despite miserable conditions: what a feat.

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Reply #38 - Nov 17th, 2010 at 3:36pm
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Plus a few of those chemical hand warmer shake-em-up things


I took a dunking one year, my first and hopefully my last Grin
I was wearing rain gear and over my nylon pants and shirt, with a fleece vest. I got to shore, removed the fleece vest, wrung and whirled it semi-dry, and put my raincoat back on. I opened a few of those chemical heater packs and placed one over my kidney area, tucked into my waistband to hold them. I pulled my hands into my armpit area settled into comfortable spot behind a big boulder for a windbreak, and tucked into a ball. Within minutes my core temp was up, and I had to open my pit zipper vents and pull my hood back.

My gear was dry, so I just resumed paddling. If I had to build a fire, dry gear or stay where I was at, the chemical packs would of made the job much easier. Cold numb fingers and falling body temp are a bad combination.

Another variation on your fish " stick" method is a little quicker but would require more care on the dining end.

Gut your fish, leaving head on. Take 2 green sticks just big enough to hold weight of fish. Sharpen one end of each, and starting at tail, thread first from outside, thru ribs, up so far then out again, then thru gills and out the mouth. You can leave the sticks alone, or tie ground ends together with a couple short pieces of cord. Grill as you described.

An alternative IF you don't have the necessary knife/skill or patience to prepare as you described.
I have a outdoor skills book, that shows the Native people using a single spear like stick, stuck thru the gills crossway's of a NP that has just been gutted. They suspended the pike over coals and used a couple of green sticks crosswise to keep the body cavity open. Roasted/smoked until a sharp knife/stick would push thru easily from the skin side.
  
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Re: Interesting read of survival
Reply #39 - Nov 17th, 2010 at 10:25pm
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Head off?  The best meat is in the cheeks!
  
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