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Ditch Kit--Altoid-sized
Nov 17th, 2010 at 5:00pm
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There have been a number of posts to the (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links) commenting on what individuals would take/have with them in the case of an emergency/ditching during a trip.  After doing a bit on internet searching about ditch kits, I've run into a number of YouTube videos on the topic of what would be placed in a personal ditch kit.  The focus of many of these videos is what you would take that could be placed inside an altoids-sized containers.  The idea of limiting the size to the altoid tin is two-fold:  (a) having a container that is small enough to easily fit into a pocket so that you will always have it with you and (b) to have a "self contained" unit sufficiently light and durable to sustain some level of use/abuse.

Some of the "kits" are relatively inventive in both design and contents.  Some of these kits have material wrapped around the outside (e.g., garbage bags, flat-folded duct tape, rubber bands, and paracord).  Some of the tins have been polished to a high shine to serve as a signal mirror.  Some use electrical tape around the outside to make the unit "waterproof."

Of course, many of the contents would be anticipated, but some gave me reason to pause and ask "why would I want that?"  So, here are a few of the things that I think most of these kits should/would include:

1) button-sized compass
2) cutting implement-straight blade (small Swiss Army knife, razor blade, exacto knife tips ...smaller blades seem to be mostly taped inside the top of the altoid lid
3) cutting implement-saw (ring saw, skilsaw blade, hacksaw blade, etc)  Some of the saw blades were cut down to fit inside the tin.  Some had the "hand end" covered with a bit of tape.  One unit had a small bolt and a hole in the altoid tin so the saw blade to be attached and the tin used as a handle.
4) fire making tools (matches and striker strip, small lighter, fire steel w/o handle, magnesium strip, cotton balls, etc.)
5) medical supplies (band aids, topical ointment, alcohol prep pad, insect-sting pad, pain killer tabs, etc)
6) containers (small plastic bags, condom, surgical glove, aluminum foil)
7) food & water related (bullion cube, snare wire, fishing implements, water treatment tabs, etc.)
8) signaling (pencil, paper, codes list/Morse code table, mirror, whistle, etc.)
9) repair (needle/thread, string/twine, straight pins, safety pins, spare button, etc.)

Of course, there were other things included (e.g., reasonably large nail), but these were among the most frequent things that appeared.  A couple even had a small flashlight included.  I really liked the minimalist approach to a flash light--led with 1" leads and a button battery--tried it, it works!

OK, now that you've seen the list, what would you include?  What's missing?  Remember, it all has to fit INSIDE an altoid-sized container!

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Re: Ditch Kit--Altoid-sized
Reply #1 - Nov 17th, 2010 at 5:29pm
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Or a possible alternate container, a waterproof plastic medicine bottle.

Actually, I don't carry a 'ditch kit', never have, and I don't plan to start. The most important quality is between the ears, experience & judgement. It works like this: if conditions are too dangerous to be on the water, I am off the water. I do keep important items in my daypack, and it is within easy reach, so if I had to ditch, I would grab it.

Now back to original topic...
  
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Re: Ditch Kit--Altoid-sized
Reply #2 - Nov 17th, 2010 at 6:27pm
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Old Salt wrote on Nov 17th, 2010 at 5:29pm:
Actually, I don't carry a 'ditch kit', never have, and I don't plan to start. The most important quality is between the ears, experience & judgement. It works like this: if conditions are too dangerous to be on the water, I am off the water. I do keep important items in my daypack, and it is within easy reach, so if I had to ditch, I would grab it.

While I agree with the logic here (not placing one's self in harms way), I also paddle solo, which makes this consideration one of prudence.

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Re: Ditch Kit--Altoid-sized
Reply #3 - Nov 18th, 2010 at 12:14am
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My poorly made point, is that having a ditch kit is a poor substitute for good judgment if having it causes one to make  poor travel  decisions.
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Pelican makes some Altoid sized boxes...a bit beefer that than a ziplock incased tin.  How about a fire piston in the pocket? A Spot where applicable. Dont forget it on the portages. Just saying....
  
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Reply #5 - Nov 18th, 2010 at 5:24am
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marlin55388 wrote on Nov 18th, 2010 at 4:25am:
Pelican makes some Altoid sized boxes...a bit beefer that than a ziplock incased tin.  How about a fire piston in the pocket? A Spot where applicable. Dont forget it on the portages. Just saying....

Yeah.  I'd considered something more waterproof than an Altoid tin ... but that's the size that makes sense for something that you'd put into a pocket. 

My fire piston is about 4 1/2 inches.  It does work, but I think a fire steel has more potential to create fire.

Spot carry ... not as critical when your not doing a solo, but I do sometimes forget when soloing and leave it with my PFD after a portage ... even though I have it in a camera-type case with a 'biner on it.

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Re: Ditch Kit--Altoid-sized
Reply #6 - Nov 18th, 2010 at 7:54am
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Only one condom??? Seriously? In the BWQ? Is that an extremely optimistic or pessimistic attitude in winter,spring, summer or fall? Solo or tandem? Group trip? Reality bites and it's good to be prepared..

I once dumped on a simple fish guts run on big group pre-season trip. By time I made it back to camp I was dry and no longer shivering uncontrollably. The group leader thought I was kidding. Second in command noticed my lips were blue. We fished the pot out of 8' of water the next day. If I could do it over again I'd swallow my pride and scream for help immediately because at the time, over a dozen people were within easy earshot.
  
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Reply #7 - Nov 18th, 2010 at 1:57pm
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"3) cutting implement-saw (ring saw, skilsaw blade, hacksaw blade, etc)  Some of the saw blades were cut down to fit inside the tin.  Some had the "hand end" covered with a bit of tape.  One unit had a small bolt and a hole in the altoid tin so the saw blade to be attached and the tin used as a handle."

that's a joke, right ?   what in hell is anybody going to accomplish with one of those wire/saws or 4" mini hacksaw blade  ?  cut down a Redwood tree and hollow it out into a dugout ?  build themselves a log cabin ?  Oh, I know, instead of just laying chunks of log over the middle of your fire to burn into smaller pieces, you could saw your firewood into nice neat pieces!  I get the idea, that this stuff needs to be small to fit into an altoids tin, but these saws would be essentially worthless, and you'd be much better served to carry a second packet of matches or match book in doubled ziplok bags, or more twine (dental floss) or more wire to wire together a shelter, or a small knife (not one of those silly little swiss army knives, but something like a small Gerber LST (3.5" closed) and a small sharpener to keep the blade sharp (like the DMT style that's the size of  a 1" band-aid and 3/16" thick.  There isn't anything you can accomplish with a bit of saw blade that you couldn't do better with a knife, and at least you'd have something useful that way.

I've had one of those wire saws - didn't last very long, but I admit it will cut logs until it breaks, but why bother?

  
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Reply #8 - Nov 18th, 2010 at 5:14pm
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Mad_Mat wrote on Nov 18th, 2010 at 1:57pm:
"3) cutting implement-saw (ring saw, skilsaw blade, hacksaw blade, etc)  Some of the saw blades were cut down to fit inside the tin.  Some had the "hand end" covered with a bit of tape.  One unit had a small bolt and a hole in the altoid tin so the saw blade to be attached and the tin used as a handle."

that's a joke, right ?   what in hell is anybody going to accomplish with one of those wire/saws or 4" mini hacksaw blade  ?  cut down a Redwood tree and hollow it out into a dugout ?  build themselves a log cabin ?  Oh, I know, instead of just laying chunks of log over the middle of your fire to burn into smaller pieces, you could saw your firewood into nice neat pieces!  I get the idea, that this stuff needs to be small to fit into an altoids tin, but these saws would be essentially worthless, and you'd be much better served to carry a second packet of matches or match book in doubled ziplok bags, or more twine (dental floss) or more wire to wire together a shelter, or a small knife (not one of those silly little swiss army knives, but something like a small Gerber LST (3.5" closed) and a small sharpener to keep the blade sharp (like the DMT style that's the size of  a 1" band-aid and 3/16" thick.  There isn't anything you can accomplish with a bit of saw blade that you couldn't do better with a knife, and at least you'd have something useful that way.

I've had one of those wire saws - didn't last very long, but I admit it will cut logs until it breaks, but why bother?

Well, I DIDN"T say that what I've seen others place into a ditch kit was a good idea.  I've tried a couple of ring saws, and while they didn't come apart, I felt that I'd have a better chance playing beaver and trying to chew a branch apart.  The saw blade is only marginally better, but in one of Les Stroud's shows, he used the saw blade on his multi-tool to cut down a few thumb-sized saplings to make the frame for his shelter (but sometimes I felt his show was "move 10 feet and make a shelter").

In reality, I just picked up a (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links).  The question remains as to whether I'd wear this around my neck, get a belt clip or just put in in one the pockets of my PFD.  The write-up indicates the item to weigh 2.5 oz., but that's only for the knife ... with sheath, its more like 4 oz.  Since it just arrived in the mail yesterday, I haven't had a chance to give it any exercise, but it appears substantial enough to do some serious work.  I'm hoping to make this more of a utility knife that gets used on some degree of regularity and leave behind some of my "less capable" knives.  (I did find it online for under $30 ... just barely.)  

AND, joy of joys, at least the knife part is made in the USA!

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Re: Ditch Kit--Altoid-sized
Reply #9 - Nov 18th, 2010 at 7:11pm
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Great stuff DD!  Very clever.  I need to buy some Altoids.
  
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