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Re: Ditch Kit--Altoid-sized
Reply #50 - Dec 24th, 2010 at 5:40pm
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I'm rather pleased with my ditch kit. It connects via a small U.L. pack to the back strap of my PFD. My emphasis is being able to start a fire and to that end I have a butane lighter, waterproof matches in corresponding match case with striker enclosed within, and several packages of wet tinder. I also have a space blanket, a whistle and a few small lures.

The thought occurs to me however, what happens when your not in possession of your PFD? Say you've bushwacked and got turned around or gone off the portage trail and your handy ditch kit is sitting in the boat? Not going to do you much good then.

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Re: Ditch Kit--Altoid-sized
Reply #51 - Dec 24th, 2010 at 5:45pm
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I want to know what you plan to do with the wet tinder.
  
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Re: Ditch Kit--Altoid-sized
Reply #52 - Dec 24th, 2010 at 8:17pm
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nctry_Ben wrote on Dec 24th, 2010 at 5:45pm:
I want to know what you plan to do with the wet tinder.


It's actually called "wet fire tinder." Woods Walker mentioned it and I looked into it. The stuff is really pretty amazing. It comes in prepackaged little cubes about the size of a big marble. Super light and burns very hot for a surprisingly long time. I was also impressed at it's wind resistance. Ignitable with a magnesium fire stick (spark maker) if you create a little pile of powder with about a 1/4 of it.

I have put a few packs of it and a spark maker in with my camera case which I have on me always as well as several more in my more traditional "ditch kit". Likely will never need the stuff. Risk/reward equation makes it worth it IMO.

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Reply #53 - Jan 22nd, 2011 at 2:29am
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Here is my effort so far.  I decided to go with a slightly larger container.  Total weight of the kit is 6 ounces.

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Ditch Kit container (clear plastic, waterproof w/latch and paracord lanyard); Dimensions: 4.5" x 3" x 1.5"
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Ditch Kit contents:
TOP GROUP--
Waterproof tube containing 3 cotton balls (tube is a cut-down cigar case..black stopper below)
Wetfire tablet
44 mag shell casing with waterproof matches and stopper
Matches striker strip
Firesteel with small Dremel sanding cylinder striker
MIDDLE GROUP--
Duct tape mini-spool
Safety pins (3)
Signal mirror with hole in the middle
Paper clips (3)
Twist ties (2)
Blank paper and mini-pin
Sewing kit with needle, thread, safety pin and button
Fishing Kit (details below)
LED bulb with two tape covered button batteries
Compass
Pill container for iodine tablets (cut down pin barrel with stopper)
BOTTOM GROUP --
Plastic container
Pocket Survival Guide (magnifying lens, 3 laminated cards with minimal first aid, signaling and a few survival tips.  top card also has a small dial compass to float in water)
Bandaids (3)

FISHING KIT:
Round mint container with snap-on lid
Plastic sewing bobbin with 30 yards of fishing line
Sliver mini-spoon lure
Gold Panther Martin lure
Black Woolly Bugger fly fishing lure (large)
Small Z-Ray-type lure; green with black & yellow spots
Fish hooks (4)
Sinkers/Split split shot (5)
Mini-bobber
  
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Re: Ditch Kit--Altoid-sized
Reply #54 - Jan 22nd, 2011 at 2:23pm
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This looks really good, and it floats! I have questions...Where is the space blanket/silnylon, snare wire, and paracord? Did you ever find a good "recipe" for iodine water treatment, I know there are products on the market that use iodine in crystal form as their base?
  
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Reply #55 - Jan 22nd, 2011 at 5:28pm
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marlin55388 wrote on Jan 22nd, 2011 at 2:23pm:
DD

This looks really good, and it floats! I have questions...Where is the space blanket/silnylon, snare wire, and paracord? Did you ever find a good "recipe" for iodine water treatment, I know there are products on the market that use iodine in crystal form as their base?

A space blanket would occupy most of the space in the container and was really never a good candidate for inclusion.  What I am packing is a mylar sleeping bag.  Its made of the same material as the space blanket but will cover you completely.  So rather than opt for a shelter that I might use as a wrap, I decided that the sleeping bag would serve both functions and would have a better chance of keeping me warm.  The downside to this choice is that the bag is approximately twice the size as the blanket.  However, both the ditch kit and the bag will fit into the pocket(s) of my PFD.

As for paracord, the rub finally becomes what to include and what to leave out.  Of course there is a bit of paracord integral to the ditch kit container.  I have a longer section of paracord as a lanyard to sheath of my neck knife.  In the final analysis, I opted for the duct tape (e.g., better for repairing a puncture in the sleeping bag).  I'm still ruminating as to whether that was the better choice.  Or, should I drop out the cotton ball container and put in paracord.  

Snare wire was another tough call and may ultimately be a function of where my backcountry trips take me.  For a canoe trip, I think I stand a better chance coming by a meal using fishing gear.  On a backpacking trip to some areas, fishing opportunities may be extremely limited.  So this may wind up being an either/or proposition.  I guess I could still make dead-fall traps regardless of my location.  (But I do have my eye on a length of strong, light weight, braided wire in my wife's jewelry making kit ... and it will even hold a knot.)

You are correct in that iodine comes in many forms and the chemical make-up of what is used to treat water is different than that used commercially in tincture of iodine.  However, in a worst case scenario, I think I'd still be tempted to try it in some form.  Since the tablets do kill nasties in the water and can be ingested, perhaps there would be some positive benefit of treating wounds with it.

The one thing I'm still looking for a way to include is some form of water container.  Yes, I could use the kit container for a small amount of water, but I'd like to have something that would offer more volume; especially for a backpacking trip, where water sources might be some distance apart.  (I have come to the conclusion that the mylar sleeping bag is a bit too much volume.  Grin)  It would also be nice to be able to include some foil (or an alternative) to permit some cooking ... although I don't have any particular aversion to eating things raw, other than safety reasons.

So, as implied by my post, the search continues.  Do I use a smaller mirror, compass, etc.? Do I take out the internal containers and use the space for something else?  Of course, the first item on the size reduction hit list has to be removing the handle from the fire-steel.

The "hunt" continues.  At least it something to occupy your mind in hard water season.

BTW:  Here is the (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links) I selected.  It is 84" x 36" and weighs about 3 ounces.  It is a comparable size to the ditch kit container.  It has a draw string something like a "cinch sack" garbage bag.  It is supplied in its own small plastic zip-lock style bag.  And, of course, if you need shelter more than warmth (e.g., summer backpacking in a dry climate), you could always slit the bag open and use it more like a tent ... you still have duct tape to re-seal it in a pinch.

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Re: Ditch Kit--Altoid-sized
Reply #56 - Jan 22nd, 2011 at 6:21pm
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Well thought out Wink I wonder if you could take a piece of MSR style wind shield (heavy Al foil) and fold it into a cooking vessel; I just do not think that it would stand up to repeated folding and unfolding...just a thought. Its hard to keep the weight and volume down isn't it...What about doing a search on military based survival kits...DD kudos to you for sharing this process. Smiley
  
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Re: Ditch Kit--Altoid-sized
Reply #57 - Jan 23rd, 2011 at 12:51am
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DentonDoc wrote on Jan 22nd, 2011 at 5:28pm:
[quote author=marlin55388 link=1290013223/50#54 date=1295706189]DD

The one thing I'm still looking for a way to include is some form of water container.  Yes, I could use the kit container for a small amount of water, but I'd like to have something that would offer more volume; especially for a backpacking trip, where water sources might be some distance apart.  

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Copied this from Ranger Rick's website:

If you've never heard of using condoms as water containers. Well believe it or not, condoms [the non-lubricant type] have been around and packed inside military survival kits as far back as 1944. Really, No BS! Not for sexual use but as compact improvised water containers. Though the military was the first to use'em in their survival kits, it wasn't long before commercial companies and outdoor enthusiasts started carrying and packing them in their survival kits too.

Now every so often someone sends me an email asking... "Hey Ranger Rick, why condoms and not balloons?"

Why? Because condoms are made of "latex" and are a much more stretchable, flexible and durable. Plus they won't puncture or break so easy like "rubber" balloons. To fill a rubber balloon with water, you gotta force it in with a hose or facet and then quickly tie it off so it won't squirt or shoot back out. Not so with condoms because they stretch as you fill'em with water and so you don't have to worry about the water squirting back out even when you drink from them.

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Re: Ditch Kit--Altoid-sized
Reply #58 - Jan 23rd, 2011 at 1:11am
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hmmmm....condoms...a great dual purpose survival piece...if you're lucky, you won't need it for water... Grin  Grin
  
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Reply #59 - Jan 23rd, 2011 at 1:48am
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rlageman3 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2011 at 12:51am:
DentonDoc wrote on Jan 22nd, 2011 at 5:28pm:
DD

The one thing I'm still looking for a way to include is some form of water container.  Yes, I could use the kit container for a small amount of water, but I'd like to have something that would offer more volume; especially for a backpacking trip, where water sources might be some distance apart.  

dd


Copied this from Ranger Rick's website:

If you've never heard of using condoms as water containers. Well believe it or not, condoms [the non-lubricant type] have been around and packed inside military survival kits as far back as 1944. Really, No BS! Not for sexual use but as compact improvised water containers. Though the military was the first to use'em in their survival kits, it wasn't long before commercial companies and outdoor enthusiasts started carrying and packing them in their survival kits too.

Now every so often someone sends me an email asking... "Hey Ranger Rick, why condoms and not balloons?"

Why? Because condoms are made of "latex" and are a much more stretchable, flexible and durable. Plus they won't puncture or break so easy like "rubber" balloons. To fill a rubber balloon with water, you gotta force it in with a hose or facet and then quickly tie it off so it won't squirt or shoot back out. Not so with condoms because they stretch as you fill'em with water and so you don't have to worry about the water squirting back out even when you drink from them.

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Condoms for water containers .. identified in post #1 of this thread.  And yes, even then it received the same type of critical appraisal.

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