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Re: Ditch Kit--Altoid-sized
Reply #60 - Jan 23rd, 2011 at 5:43pm
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I've never tried filling a condom with water, but unless it was from a running source, like a little spring etc, wouldn't it be a hassle to fill from a standing source :question

I'm wondering if a quart freezer type zip lock bag might fit in that kit.
Folded flat, it shouldn't take up much space.
Easy to fill and tougher than a condom to be sure.

I have a stainless steel emergency drinking cup, that folds flat. When opened it looks like an old school pointy bottomed paper water cup you used to see around office water coolers. I have it in somewhere in my gear room, just can't recall location exactly Grin When I dig it out, I'll see if I can find mfg. It might fit in your kit and you could heat water, boil critter soup in it with a little effort. I've had it for years, but a Google search turned up 0, so maybe it's no longer made.

Nice effort. I think we could debate choice of contents till the cows come home, but the important thing is your being pro-active, instead of re-active.
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Re: Ditch Kit--Altoid-sized
Reply #61 - Jan 23rd, 2011 at 8:57pm
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solotripper wrote on Jan 23rd, 2011 at 5:43pm:
I've never tried filling a condom with water, but unless it was from a running source, like a little spring etc, wouldn't it be a hassle to fill from a standing source :question

There are some pictures about 3/4 of the way down the page in this link that show how he does it:

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Re: Ditch Kit--Altoid-sized
Reply #62 - Jan 23rd, 2011 at 9:20pm
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rlageman3 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2011 at 8:57pm:
solotripper wrote on Jan 23rd, 2011 at 5:43pm:
I've never tried filling a condom with water, but unless it was from a running source, like a little spring etc, wouldn't it be a hassle to fill from a standing source :question

There are some pictures about 3/4 of the way down the page in this link that show how he does it:

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Okay, that's simple enough, but how about transporting it filled it if your on the move?
You'd have to secure it some way so it doesn't stretch and break.
Maybe a zip-lock bag AND some condoms for more versatility.
  
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Re: Ditch Kit--Altoid-sized
Reply #63 - Jan 30th, 2011 at 9:33pm
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When I put my pocket survival sleeve into the ditch-kit (survival cards, compass, etc.) it also includes a small fresnel lens ... its in the photo (above) but since its clear, its hard to see.

My original thought for the use of the lens was to use its magnifying properties to look at small items (map, if I loose my glasses; close-up to get a splinter out of my finger, etc.).  However, it dawned on me that it is a magnifying "glass."  As a kid, I played around with a glass to burn a few small things, but never really concentrated on the process to the extent that I could make a fire.  As it turns out, you CAN make fire with a magnifying glass (including a fresnel lens).  It helps if you have a bit of char cloth or piece of paper, but you can ultimately coax the ember produced into flame.  (It also can ignite a match, if you should loose the striker.)

Then I began to wonder about broader applications of a fresnel lens.  Since it produces heat, can you boil water with it?  Well I did find several youtube videos of boiling water and actually cooking with a fresnel lens, but the setup seemed to involve one that is roughly 3 X 4 feet.  Nope, I'm not packing something that size; but I do have a fresnel lens that is roughly page size (6 X 10 inches).  Now, that's packable! 

Anyone have any experience with using a fresnel to heat/boil water.  It could be useful for cooking, but I'm also thinking about potentially purifying water.  I started a small-scale trial, but stopped when it started to melt the plastic of the thermometer I was using.

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Re: Ditch Kit--Altoid-sized
Reply #64 - Feb 12th, 2011 at 10:12pm
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DentonDoc wrote on Jan 30th, 2011 at 9:33pm:
When I put my pocket survival sleeve into the ditch-kit (survival cards, compass, etc.) it also includes a small fresnel lens ... its in the photo (above) but since its clear, its hard to see.

My original thought for the use of the lens was to use its magnifying properties to look at small items (map, if I loose my glasses; close-up to get a splinter out of my finger, etc.).  However, it dawned on me that it is a magnifying "glass."  As a kid, I played around with a glass to burn a few small things, but never really concentrated on the process to the extent that I could make a fire.  As it turns out, you CAN make fire with a magnifying glass (including a fresnel lens).  It helps if you have a bit of char cloth or piece of paper, but you can ultimately coax the ember produced into flame.  (It also can ignite a match, if you should loose the striker.)

Then I began to wonder about broader applications of a fresnel lens.  Since it produces heat, can you boil water with it?  Well I did find several youtube videos of boiling water and actually cooking with a fresnel lens, but the setup seemed to involve one that is roughly 3 X 4 feet.  Nope, I'm not packing something that size; but I do have a fresnel lens that is roughly page size (6 X 10 inches).  Now, that's packable!  

Anyone have any experience with using a fresnel to heat/boil water.  It could be useful for cooking, but I'm also thinking about potentially purifying water.  I started a small-scale trial, but stopped when it started to melt the plastic of the thermometer I was using.


Follow-up (on the 6 X 10" lens):

Nice sunny day outside today ... mid-60's.  Thought I'd get back to playing again (and leave you guys alone for a while ... no luck there!)

I haven't tried to boil water yet with the larger lens, but that could be a little bit of a problem.  I had previously (partly cloudy day, indoors) tested the focal point of this lens.  I succeeded in melting a nice arc on a dark plastic bottle.  (Yeah, the sun does make an arc in the sky this time of year).  So to reach a sustained boil, you WILL need to re-position the lens position ever so often.

So, today I thought I'd get back to some basic fire making ... larger lens, no char cloth.  I took a small piece of t-shirt (cotton), some dry grass, a couple of leaves and a small piece of birch bark to catch the flame when it started).  Once the focal length was set correctly (about 2 1/2 feet with this larger lens), the material started to smoke almost immediately.  But I gave it a good 30 seconds before I began to add more oxygen.  Within a minute I had a flame.  

Who says science can't be fun!  Smiley

dd

BTW:  My bum wheel has just about mended, so I'll be back to walking soon and will leave you poor folks alone!  Wink
  
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Re: Ditch Kit--Altoid-sized
Reply #65 - Feb 13th, 2011 at 12:38am
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DD-your the bomb!
  
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Re: Ditch Kit FINAL, I think
Reply #66 - Apr 6th, 2011 at 6:32pm
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Well, I think I'm finished with by ditch kit arrangement.  Here are some pic's of the final set of components.

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There are a few changes here from my original list of components (and picture).  I've downsized the fire steel, compass and mirror.  I've added an actual fire steel striker (right of smaller fire steel, char cloth (left of smaller file steel, small baggie showing foil wrapper), water purification tablets (near center; left of smaller mirror), single-edge razor blade (right of pill case, with smaller cap), and aluminum foil (1' X 2' sheet rolled inside small baggie; lower left).

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Top is a small fanny pack (POE WxTex Alki--water resistant) which will hold all of the contents shown plus my leatherman tool (if I take it off my belt).  Even with these contents, there is still room inside for a few "comfort" items (bug repellent, sun screen, tube of petroleum jelly, a few med's and maybe a food bar).  I'm still thinking of placing most of these items in the pockets of PFD, but I'll have to see how that might impact my paddling stroke.

From left-to-right along the bottom are:
1) "Becker-Necker" K-bar knife w/sheath above.  The sheath also has paracord and a lace-lock slider. (I'll actually wear this around my neck if I store the other items in my PFD.)
2) Aquamira Frontier Emergency Water Filter (good for 25 gallons); atop a snack baggie for storage (actual drinking tube is nearly invisible in this shot, filter part shown more clearly).
3) Emergency Mylar sleeping bag (I also inserted a crock pot liner bag inside the zip-lock bag the sleeping bag comes in.  The crock pot bag could be used for water storage and/or heating water.
4) The ditch kit from above

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Re: Ditch Kit--Altoid-sized
Reply #67 - Apr 6th, 2011 at 7:55pm
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Smiley

I don't think you'll have any problems putting some/all of this in your PFD pockets. Your taller than me by about 3" and I have a 32" sleeve length and don't have a problem. My Cabelas mesh vest has some big front pockets, so assuming your arms are as long or longer, you should be good to go?
I'm loving the Becker Necker, I like those little neck knifes a lot.
  
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Re: Ditch Kit--Altoid-sized
Reply #68 - Apr 8th, 2011 at 6:27am
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Cheesy Where did you find the tiny condoms? (above the band-aids)
Oh, Aquamira... Sorry.

The foil is an excellent addition I've never fully considered. I'd want a better compass (and a tiny map), would dump the bobber and, oh I don't know, a paper clip or two. I'd consolidate the lures and hooks with painter's tape and lose the hard container. No bare hooks?

All in all? Looks good! I hope you never need it and that the simple process of putting it together -thinking what if- provides the most benefit. For me, it's bigger than I'd keep with me and smaller than I'd want if ever needed. We all know how that goes.

On the Mylar bag that's so nicely folded. Did you buy two and try one out. I'm curious if you spent any time in one.

What's a crock pot liner bag?
  
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Re: Ditch Kit--Altoid-sized
Reply #69 - Apr 8th, 2011 at 7:49am
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db wrote on Apr 8th, 2011 at 6:27am:
On the Mylar bag that's so nicely folded. Did you buy two and try one out. I'm curious if you spent any time in one.

What's a crock pot liner bag?

I did spend a few minutes inside my original mylar bag and have used a space blanket a time or two.  Clearly the mylar bag doesn't breath, but then part of the idea is to retain body heat and perhaps provide a weather barrier.  Not exactly a quiet way to spend an evening.

The crock pot liner bag, a.k.a. (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links) are nylon bags that are made to withstand a certain amount of heat.  They are also thicker than something line a ziplock bag.

For me, I'd not likely wind up with the kit if I didn't find some way to have it on me most (if not all) the time.  Consequently, size becomes an issue.  I've read of other kits having a wool sweater, spare socks, food items and other bulky items that could go in a larger waist pack, but I'm not very likely to wear that in a canoe.

Yeah, the bobber is probably wasted space ... just as easy to tie a bit of wood on the line to achieve the same thing (if needed).  However, the other fishing items fit snugly inside the container.  By having a container, all of the fishing items are together and there is no risk that a hook finds it way into something that doesn't need a puncture.  (The container is very light weight ... one of those candy tins with a snap on lid ... just re-painted to make it easier to locate.)

But, you are also correct in that it gets the wheels turning a bit to think through some of the "what if" scenarios.

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