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Feb 8th, 2011 at 11:10am
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This year in Quetico will be slightly different experience. Since high school and then moving forward my group have always had 6 people. Thus larger food packs and more gear but there was also more backs to spread the gear around. Well this year I will be a part of lonely group of 2. We are going for 11 days and we would like to continue to single portage.
I know many people travel regularly travel in groups of 2. What is your set up? What we where considering is taking 2 packs Duluth style packs. 1 pack mainly for our personal gear, ie sleeping bag, mat, clothes etc. 1 pack with our food and cooking gear. Then on the portage one would carry the canoe and the lighter pack, while the other gets the heavier pack, and fishing poles.
What I suspect/fear is that we will simply not be able to get all the food in one pack, without packing extremely light.
  
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Reply #1 - Feb 8th, 2011 at 11:52am
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Geez, 11 days, single portage. A wee bit to much weight IMO. Not only does the fun factor sound like it might be reduced the "hurt" factor would rise.

Besides, with the lighter loads you are likely to breeze across as opposed to the big loads where you will likely be having to set stuff down before getting all the way. Thus probably not saving as much time as you think.

I typically run a fishing line (often pulling a deep crank with a big lip.....lots of drag on the boat) and I like to run the shoreline plus I always double on my portages and yet I still usually rack up a good day mileage wise.

Here's what I do to accomplish it.....I get up early, usually while it is still dark and eat and break camp and am often paddling while the mist is still on the water. That is a special time of day to be dipping a paddle trust me. All is still and quiet more often than not. This early start takes advantage of calm conditions when you can really roll 'cause as we all know it's gonna blow by 2. Then it is common for me to run late unless I'm worried about campsites. You can rack up some miles like this. I do like seeing new country. One bit of hard earned advice.....if you are a food stasher like me make sure you have a reflective marker to hang in the tree to mark your placement or else you may be "delayed". Tongue

Prouboy is right BTW, I'm not much fun around the campfire.  I'm usually in the sack shortly after dark if I'm not still fishing.
  
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Reply #2 - Feb 8th, 2011 at 1:05pm
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Can't speak to single portaging as we have never done it.  Have never felt the need.  But have more than 20 trips in a group of two, one as long as 22 days, several were in the 10-12 day range, and have never once thought to describe that condition as "lonely".   Wink

As Mastertangler points out, it is not that hard to make mileage if that is your goal.  Back "in the day" we did that.  We don't anymore, but we could once.
  
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Reply #3 - Feb 8th, 2011 at 1:52pm
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I've done several trips of 2 with a duration you suggest. My opinion: unless you eat tofu, single portaging will be pretty tough with the gear/food you will need. I'd recommend taking a little more time on the portages.
  
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Reply #4 - Feb 8th, 2011 at 2:28pm
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My group of two looks a little different, a father son gig-and the boy started at two. Single portaging just was not a possibility; and that is and was a good thing. The portage trail is a fine place to see the other half of what makes the canoe country so great, a gem; the land between the lakes and waterways. Since your group seems to have evolved a bit maybe the "goals" could too; 11 days of food and consumables seems a bit on the stout side to single...so do you know what the food pack is going to weigh yet....seems like the weight will make the answer to the question a no brainer. If eating "good" on the trip is a goal it will push you all hard away from the "single" endeavor. I could be done but it would have to be a primary goal, and a lot of other things will get pushed aside...just sayin'
  
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Reply #5 - Feb 8th, 2011 at 2:51pm
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After a few solo trips I found the thought of a large group (anything more than three) doesn't thrill me a bit. Also you realize the double portage is not that big of a deal. I like being able to do longer trips and seeing more... and sometimes seeing more is part of that second trip across the portage. Something I believe Marlin was saying... The only time I like to move a little faster is going into the BW to get past the crowds.
  
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Reply #6 - Feb 8th, 2011 at 4:48pm
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MT,
And others are right about getting an early jump on the day, and the wisdom of 2x portaging.

Your still a young dog, early 30's by your bio.
Assuming your in great shape, you have 2x choices the way I see it.
You can travel light, like some here do, without any camp comforts or special meals, or 2x portage and enjoy yourself a little more Wink

I don't know what your route is, or the degree of difficulty of the portages along the way. I do know that I've seen plenty of single portagers of all ages, either taking breaks half-way across tough portages, or coming into the end, so exhausted they needed a break to re-coup before paddling on.

I 2x portage, and my rest period is my walk back. I almost never stop on portage under load, as I'm light enough going 2x, that it's not exhausting for me.

Factor in the risk of falling/hurting you back under full load, and the loss of the " woods" time on the trip back, I'd say unless your a road runner and need/want the high mileage, you better off 2x tripping in most scenarios.

Someone here posted once about the time differential between 2x portaging without a break, and 1x under a good load. Seems to me the difference was so little and benefits so much better 2x portaging, it wasn't worth it, unless your going for the gusto everyday.
  
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Reply #7 - Feb 8th, 2011 at 5:34pm
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I trip with my now-19 year old son each summer, usually 8-11 days.  We could single portage since Ben's quite strong (6'2", 240 pounds, offensive tackle).  He can easily carry 120+ pounds across a portage, but he doesn't like to.  We like some creature comforts and fish quite a bit, so we usually have enough stuff to double portage fairly easily.  Sometimes, one of us will double and the other single if one of us feels particularly strong at the moment, or just too darn lazy to double it...
  
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Reply #8 - Feb 8th, 2011 at 5:42pm
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Your assumed load will be on the margin of single vs double portage requirement.  Both members need not double portage, only one.  If speed is your goal, have the single portager unload and load the canoe, while the other doubles.  When you land, the latter takes off immediately with a pack.  The former unloads and takes the canoe across, then loads the gear the already sitting there.  Since many portages are 20 minutes or less round trip, I think you will find the double portager returning with the 2nd pack as things are ready to shove off. 

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Re: Group size of 2
Reply #9 - Feb 8th, 2011 at 6:52pm
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Food for 2 people for 11 days should weigh ~25lbs.
Total kit for 2 people should weigh ~50lbs.

Lots of room for single portaging with a single 60-70lb pack and a 5 - 15lb daypack + 50lb canoe.

Another alternative is the 1.5 portage.
Buddy1 takes his pack all the way.  Heads back for the canoe with is waiting at the halfway point.
Buddy2 takes the canoe half the way.  Leaves it for Buddy1.  Heads back for his pack.
  
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