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Reply #10 - Feb 8th, 2011 at 10:03pm
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Preacher wrote on Feb 8th, 2011 at 6:52pm:
Food for 2 people for 11 days should weigh ~25lbs.
Total kit for 2 people should weigh ~50lbs.

Lots of room for single portaging with a single 60-70lb pack and a 5 - 15lb daypack + 50lb canoe....


Holy s***.  Last trip we had about 130 pounds plus the canoe....we take waaaayy too much stuff!!   Grin  Grin

But oh do we enjoy our trips!!   Smiley
  
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Reply #11 - Feb 8th, 2011 at 10:10pm
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Food for 2 people for 11 days should weigh ~25lbs.
Total kit for 2 people should weigh ~50lbs.


Huh  If you substitute could for should, I'd agree.
Food Pack and Kit weight will vary wildly, depending on tripping style and amount of creature comforts desired.

If total weight is your main goal, then you can probably go even lighter if you desire. I'm thinking that after having 6 paddlers, even single portaging, your going to miss the gear you've become accustomed too Wink
  
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Reply #12 - Feb 9th, 2011 at 1:54am
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It can be done.  I've done some trips of that length as a party of 2 single portaging much, of not all of the time with plenty of "luxuries" along for the ride.

Things to keep in mind:

The loading and unloading of heavy packs is almost more effort than the actual portaging.  Routes with frequent short portages will wear you out faster than routes with infrequent portages of nearly any length.

Your legs need to be in excellent shape to make it happen.  One word:  Stairmaster.  Build up to doing a solid 45 minutes at a time at reasonably high resistance.

Hand carry items need to be minimized.  You have only 1 person with free hands.  You'll need to strap rods and maybe paddles in the canoe.  Tackle must either go into the packs or into underseat bags.

Balance is important.  Anything you strap into the canoe must still allow the canoe to balance well.  You can experiment with where you lash in your paddles and rods (and which way the reels are facing) to acheive balance.  Get it right before you even leave your house.  If you use underseat bags for tackle, put them on too. 

A small daypack as a chest-pack or hand-carry item for the non-canoe-carrier may help.  It can contain whatever you need accessible while on the water.  It needs to be small enough that you can see over it if you choose to use if for a chest pack on easy trails.  It's gotta be hand-carry only for ankle-buster trails.  You need to be able to see your footing if the trail is rough.

If trails are short, double-carrying is faster than loading up for the single-carry.

On super-long trails, you'll probably need/want to build in some rest breaks.  I can single-carry a pretty obscene load for about 100 rods but then a 8-10 minute rest is in order.  On long carries, it's still faster than singling and the longer the portage the greater the time savings.

Don't plan overly ambitious days and if you find you may have bitten off more than you can chew for a day, stop early, especially if you're travelling again the next day.

If you like to fish as you travel, you'll have to pick your spots or you'll waste a ton of time lashing and unlashing rods and setting up to fish.  Long paddle stretches are great for fishing.  Route accordingly.
  
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Reply #13 - Feb 9th, 2011 at 2:11am
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I agree legs are key. 

I'm a fan of doing squats to build/maintain my legs.  In addition, there is a weight machine I use where you sit, but it's like a squat in that your legs are pushing against flat panel that is attached via cables to weight.  I like this machine because I can work my calf muscles by pushing with the balls of my feet, or "tip toes" if you like. 

Snow_dog: thoughts?

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Reply #14 - Feb 9th, 2011 at 3:37am
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Yup, squats are also good.  You'll appreciate them when you have to negotiate ledges. 

However, a Stairmaster is the best simulation I've found for portaging a distance under a load.

Squats=power.  Stairmaster=endurance.

I do a stairmaster once a week for 3-4 months prior to a canoe trip.  The rest of the week, I run or use one of the other various hamster wheels at the club.
  
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Reply #15 - Feb 9th, 2011 at 4:15am
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I like a low impact workout so I use the elliptical machine with high resistance at a pretty good clip for about 90 minutes each day - good for the heart/endurance and great for the legs (thighs and calves.)  I think its also important to build up the stomach muscles to protect your back so I also do plenty of crunch type exercises with weight as well.  I find that the older I get the more economical I have to be out there.  I really agree with Snow Dog that loading and unloading heavy packs is much more taxing than the actual portage.  Getting packs on and off and hoisting the canoe fluidly really makes the difference in how far and how long you can go.
  
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Reply #16 - Feb 9th, 2011 at 4:46am
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For those who belong to a gym: 1) consider some of the classes in wright-lifting (called Group Power where I go) -- they provide an overall body workout; 2) consider yoga -- has been great for my balance, a critical need on rocky portage trails; 3) consider spin (cycle) classes -- builds both strength and endurance.

I also do the cycles, eliptical trainer, long walks, weights by myself. Fitness goes a long way to making a trip pleasant.
  
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Reply #17 - Feb 9th, 2011 at 12:17pm
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Thanks, for all the responses. This is just what I was looking for, we are already anticapating having to limit some of our luxary items. The change in group size will definitely force some changes in philosphy. Even though we have had our an outfitter comment that we where pack relatively light.

**Side Story**
A few years we exited through Mudro and came up a a friendly group from Tennessee. We portage carry our gear piled up our gear accross from the parking lot from their gear. To say their pile was more substantial than ours would be putting it kind. As we spoke they asked how long we where in and when responded that it had been 7 nights, their eyes widened as they had done a simple 4 day trip.
**End Side Story**

We routinely tie/wedge our paddles in the canoes so this should not be a problem. For those who tied poles into a canoe. Any tips or strategies? I have seen groups use 3 pvc tube that they tied, into the canoe.

Being relatively young still and thus stupid. We will probably attempt to begin our trip travelling as we always have. Our groups routinely double packed anyway, and canoe carries always had a pack. Granted we carried more personal packs and this year will be lugging all Duluth packs.  I normally carry a canoe and an internal frame accross a portage. This has never been a problem and I have never needed a break unless I got stuck and or the mud became a problem. (Yum Yum comes to mind)

Just have to love winter discussions about next summers trip.
  
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Reply #18 - Feb 9th, 2011 at 1:37pm
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Bungy Dealy Bob's (or whatever they are called) are great for fastening
paddles and rods to thwarts. I bought some shock cord and made longer ones for fastening life jackets under seats.
  
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Reply #19 - Feb 9th, 2011 at 1:59pm
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"Food for 2 people for 11 days should weigh ~25lbs.
Total kit for 2 people should weigh ~50lbs."

That seems to me to be a little on the light side for an 11 day trip - I pack ultralight, as light as anyone, and a lot lighter than most.  2008, Food for 2 for an 11 day Quetico trip was 29lbs; canoe weighed 39; that's 68 lbs out of a total of 147, so the rest of the gear, clothes, fishing stuff, whatever  had to weigh 79 lbs.  Carrying 75lbs apiece isn't too hard, though it would be about 50% of body weight, but we still double tripped most portages.  That's for an end of May early June trip when it snowed on the first day - you could get away with not carrying a set of spare clothes and camp shoes in summer, but I can't think of anything esle that could have been left behind, even for a summer trip.

on short portages especially, there just isn't that much time gained by single vs double tirpping - like others, I'd rather make up the time on the water, rather than punishing myself on the portages
  
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