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Reply #30 - Mar 5th, 2011 at 7:04pm
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My two cents:

Mental toughness, combined with power/strength, endurance and good balance = a good portager.  Intelligence and experience are assumed in this equation.

  
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Reply #31 - Mar 5th, 2011 at 7:47pm
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My thought are this.... if the person is a good woodsman, who can safely quickly & confidently move through a variety of terrain & conditions, then their size is less on an issue.

I am a big guy & have never had issues traversing through terrain efficiently.... I learned a long time ago how to move through the woods. Keep your center of gravity at your core, take smaller confident steps, go around what you can & always step over an obstacle, not onto it.

With that said, I believe athletic type people like in any other sport are in the best body condition.... regardless of size.

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Reply #32 - Mar 6th, 2011 at 12:42am
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I'm not sure there is an ideal body size for canoe tripping.  I've seen big, tough football-player types that were wimps on portages.  My wife and other women I have traveled with in the far north, on trips of over six weeks in length, are only in the 5-2 to 5-4 range and have done portages of around three miles in length.

I'm 5-10 and 155 pounds, 49 years old, and have yet to meet someone my age that can carry an 80-pound Old Town Tripper like I do.  Not bragging, but just stating a fact. 

I throw a ball like a girl, though Smiley.

Like anything physical, it's more a matter of skill and conditioning that comes from spending a LOT of time on the trail.
  
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Re: What is the ideal size?
Reply #33 - Mar 7th, 2011 at 4:33pm
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Arctic wrote on Mar 6th, 2011 at 12:42am:
I'm 5-10 and 155 pounds, 49 years old, and have yet to meet someone my age that can carry an 80-pound Old Town Tripper like I do.  Not bragging, but just stating a fact.  


Dang Arctic, you must be all gristle. I think 80lb's of boat would likely ground me into the duff within a mile. Actually it would probably be closer to 90lb because I would need 5lbs of foam on both shoulders Grin.

I guess a man would just have to get used to it. Or better yet have a female equivalent to the la bomba guy......"Hey honey, can you get the boat".......
  
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Reply #34 - Mar 9th, 2011 at 2:03am
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Mountain_Paddler wrote on Feb 28th, 2011 at 5:48am:
You guys are getting me nervous.  My sons and I have done a lot of backpacking in the Colorado mountains.  We travel fairly light and still the packs get pretty darn heavy very quickly.  Now we are taking a Quetico week in September, and it seems we have to carry all our normal stuff and add canoes, paddles, and all that also.  How do you guys do it?


M_P - the only comment I'd add to all the other good posts regarding your trip is to acknowledge the obvious -- you're going to have less daylight on a fall trip.  Means less light for paddling and more dark in camp.  I like to bring a small lantern of some kind on fall trips, as I spend more time reading in my tent than during spring/summer trips.

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Re: What is the ideal size?
Reply #35 - Mar 9th, 2011 at 2:42am
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Mountain_Paddler wrote on Feb 28th, 2011 at 5:48am:
You guys are getting me nervous.  My sons and I have done a lot of backpacking in the Colorado mountains.  We travel fairly light and still the packs get pretty darn heavy very quickly.  Now we are taking a Quetico week in September, and it seems we have to carry all our normal stuff and add canoes, paddles, and all that also.  How do you guys do it?  And seems to us we'll have to be prepared for more rain than we get in Colorado.  I don't even know if we can carry our packs and a canoe too, because they stick up well above our heads.  If your GPS gets you close, can you find the portage easily?  Is the route marked?  One that bothers me is Maligne River to Poohbah Lake--I don't find a lot of details about it.  Am I going to spend all my time figuring out where the portage is and all the while carrying more than a 70-year-old can do?  Fortunately, my sons are in their 40s and strong.  What's the deal?


MP; Leave those backpacking packs at home, they don't fit well in a canoe; get or rent some Duluth Packs.  I've canoed the Maligne River.   I don't use a GPS, but I use map and compass;  a GPS will help you check your location. There is one streach of the Maligne River below Tanner Lake where you have to fight your way paddling up a current, but September it should be okay.  Follow the maps to find the portages and note which side of the river they are on the map, generally they are fairly logical and easy to find.  Portaging is generally along short portages.  I'd suggest double portaging so you don't kill yourselves carrying a canoe and a pack at the same time.  

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Reply #36 - Mar 9th, 2011 at 5:57pm
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My main point, It's not just the big guys who can and need to eat a lot of food.

I'll second that.

Aside from the general conditioning, I target my shoulders.  These are the first muscles to ache when portaging a 70# canoe and always seem to give out before legs, lungs, etc.  Experimenting with homemade yokes pads has helped to increase comfort level.  Another thing can be said about pack comfort.  If the pack transfers the weight of the contents properly to your torso and is comfortable, then amount of weight becomes relative.  For this purpose I've enjoyed the backpackers style packs for the heavier content.  Those having internal frames has helped them fit the canoe.  By removing the forward thwart, they easily lay in, 2 side by side lengthwise with the canoe and remain below the gunnels.

Other things being equal, good conditioning results in less time over the portages and an ambition to continue on when others are experiencing fatigue.  It is important to have that extra bit of reserve at the days end to prepare camp and offer leadership to your trip mates.  Energy level is a factor with mental toughness.

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Re: What is the ideal size?
Reply #37 - Mar 9th, 2011 at 6:08pm
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Yellowbird

I'm curious as to how you train your shoulders for carrying a boat? I have little problem carrying a 70+ pound pack for days on end in the mountains (as long as I have my one alleve tablet per day Smiley ) but slap a 55 lb Bell northwoods on my shoulders and I'm hurtin at about 1/2 mile. What a wimp Wink. Maybe it's the thin hard closed cell foam that my buddy insists on using, (ya think that might have something to do with it Grin)

Anyway, just curious as to what people do to train shoulders to carry a boat. I didn't know there was such a thing.
  
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Re: What is the ideal size?
Reply #38 - Mar 9th, 2011 at 6:30pm
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I think a good yoke pad is a big thing. Use a good one and you'll never settle for a thin hard foam pad again. Although some people swear by the countered all wood yokes that are cut to distribute weight across your back and shoulders.

As for exercises, Overhead presses with dumbbells are good, but just simple shoulder shrugs with the same are great too.

Just keep dumbbells close to sides of body and " turtle" up and then shrug your shoulders back and lower. Start light, maybe 10# or so and do a few sets of 8-12, every other day. Work you way up to say 20-25lbs.

Unless you doing a lot of serious overhead/neck work like a football player, you'll find these smaller muscles in "normal'" people fatigue quicker than you might think.

Better yet IF your with a partner and he insists on the thin pads, you carry the  heavy pack and let him carry the canoe Wink
  
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Re: What is the ideal size?
Reply #39 - Mar 9th, 2011 at 7:09pm
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I was thinking more along the lines of getting some sort of method to resemble the pressure of a boat I guess. I do lots of regular shoulder stuff. Pretty satisfied with that. 

It sounded like YB had some sort of special training method. I dunno.
  
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