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Poll Question: How do you plan and pack for your camping meals?



« Created by: intrepid_camper on: Feb 28th, 2011 at 4:56pm »

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Reply #10 - Feb 28th, 2011 at 9:12pm
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PJ,

Is right about the sugar, but if you have too, then Brown is waay better than White.
I like to mix in a 1/2 cup trail mix in my morning oatmeal. The nuts are an excellent protein source and the dried fruit is full of carbs and the natural sugar they contain will satisfy your sweet tooth and give you a longer " burn" time, avoiding the blood sugar spike and fall of processed sugars.
You could also add a little Honey instead of sugar. Just don't let Yogi and Boo -Boo smell it Wink
  
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Reply #11 - Feb 28th, 2011 at 9:39pm
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I love my sugar  Sad but it is very heavy to carry much of it on portages.  I sub sugar-free fruit drink mixes for beverages and splenda for my coffee.
I always buy a bag of jelly beans and divide it among the days I will be out.  They are easy to snack on while portaging and that is when you need the energy boost.  Gimbal's jelly beans available at Wal-mart are very tasty.  Wink

  
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Reply #12 - Feb 28th, 2011 at 10:29pm
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intrepid_camper wrote on Feb 28th, 2011 at 9:39pm:
I love my sugar  Sad but it is very heavy to carry much of it on portages.  I sub sugar-free fruit drink mixes for beverages and splenda for my coffee.
I always buy a bag of jelly beans and divide it among the days I will be out.  They are easy to snack on while portaging and that is when you need the energy boost.  Gimbal's jelly beans available at Wal-mart are very tasty.  Wink


I also bring the same drink mixes and my coffee has sweet-n-low (same difference).

However, my "candy" of choice is a daily allotment of 2 Werther Originals (love the creamy taste/texture) and 2 lemon drops.  The Lemon Drops are a hold over from my backpacking days.  Stick one of those in your mouth to suck on during a longish portage on a hot day and it not only gives you a bit of an energy kick, but it keeps your mouth from getting dry.  (Oddly, I don't eat either when "back in the world".)

I also carry one of the following three items in my pocket and eat when the mood strikes me (all packaged at about 2 ounces): mixed roasted nuts/no salt, trail mix, or peanut M&M's.  (Generally the peanut M&M days are those that are longer portage days ... extra energy kick.)

(As far as the poll ... I'm a 3-4 guy.)

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Reply #13 - Feb 28th, 2011 at 11:43pm
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mastertangler wrote on Feb 28th, 2011 at 8:46pm:
But on the trail I mix in a healthy amount of brown sugar in with my oats and a generous scoop of cream and sugar with my coffee. I figure the sugar adds calories and "fuel" and fills in the gaps (literally) between the oatmeal flakes thus adding a bit more bang for the buck while packing the same volume.



So here's the skinny (groan) on sugar. Carbohydrates are basically sugar and starch. Apples, oranges, potatoes, grains, candy, bread… are all carbohydrates. Carbohydrates break down into glucose molecules. When used as energy, carbohydrate fuel becomes fuel for your muscles and brain. If your body does not have any use for the glucose, it is converted into glycogen and stored it in the liver and muscles as an energy reserve. Your body can store about a half a day's supply of glycogen. If your body has more glucose than it can use as energy, or convert to glycogen for storage, the excess is converted to fat. So if you are very active your body will use glucose rather than convert it to fat.  However, that being said, sugar provides very little else in terms of nutrition and so it is not considered a great way to gather or store useful calories.  Of course processed white sugar is the worst possible source because, being processed, it puts added demands on the body to metabolize it.  But if you think brown sugar is way better I'm afraid you're kidding yourself.  Brown sugar is basically processed white sugar with a bit of molases added for color and texture.  Amongst great chefs dessert (i.e. sugar) is considered to be like royalty - it attracts all the attention but is essentially useless.

  
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Reply #14 - Mar 1st, 2011 at 12:00am
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But if you think brown sugar is way better I'm afraid you're kidding yourself.  Brown sugar is basically processed white sugar with a bit of molasses added for color and texture.


Thanks for that important info about the Brown sugar.
I don't use sugar period, so I was echoing what my friends who do have told me. I guess they heard the same thing and on it goes.
  
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Reply #15 - Mar 1st, 2011 at 1:45am
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"Brown sugar how come you taste so good?"
  
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Reply #16 - Mar 1st, 2011 at 2:50am
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Yea man, I'm still loading up with brown sugar.
  
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Reply #17 - Mar 1st, 2011 at 4:14am
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I am a solid #3 food packer. I suffer with low sugar problems so have to be very careful with foods that cause spiking and then the crash. There is always some peanut butter handy to power through the portages. Even the quick oatmeals slam me too hard so I stick will steel cut oats or multi grain cereals. I used to bike with a friend who believed sugar was a great fuel, the results were not pretty. That #3 thing is when I am solo. Some of my friends really like to eat well and that is fine by me. Especially when they come by floatplane after I have been in for a while. Tongue
  
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Reply #18 - Mar 1st, 2011 at 4:48am
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Kerry's got it right.  A few additional thoughts...

Sugar and starch are essentially the same thing but sugar breaks down easier.  Many of our favorite plant foods convert sugar, a simple carbohydrate, into starch, a somewhat more complex carb.  Peas, carrots, and corn are all good examples.  When young and tender they are very sweet as much of the carbohydrate in them is still in the form of sugars.  As they mature, the sugar converts to starch which is why they don't taste nearly as good when overripe (or overgrown, in the case of carrots).  Our bodies do the reverse and break down the starches back into a type of sugar known as glucose.

Carbohydrates are mistakenly referred to as the preferred fuel of our bodies.  They are not.  Our bodies function best when burning primarily fat except during strenuous exercise...like extended heavy portaging or running a marathon.  During moderate exercise, such as paddling all day and intermittant portaging, your body will perform just as well by burning fat IF that is what it is accustomed to burning on a regular basis.  The reason carbs are mistakenly viewed as the "preferred" fuel of the body is that the body will burn them before it burns fat.  Your body does this not because carbs are its preferred fuel, but because that's your body's first line of defense against elevated blood sugars, which if they remain elevated for prolonged periods, are destructive to the body. 

Insulin also plays a role in keeping your blood sugar at acceptable levels.  It also is the primary hormone which regulates the storage of fat in your body.  Insulin actually activates our fat cells to store fat.  The more insulin your body produces, the more fat your fat cells will store.  The sad thing is that much of the fat stored is synthesized by your liver from carbs.  Insulin also decreases the ability of muscle cells to burn fat.  As long as insulin levels are elevated in the body, your cells are blocked from using much of the fuel already available in your body in the form of fat.  

Furthermore, the more insulin you secrete, the more likely it is that your cells will become more resistant to insulin, theus the more insulin you'll need to secrete to keep blood sugar levels under control.  Thhis is because too much glucose is toxic to your cells so they increase resistance to insulin to keep the glucose out.  So your body produces even more insulin to overcome the resistance.  It can become a vicious cycle.  And the more insulin you produce, the more your body will attempt to store fat rather than use it for fuel.

If you are engaged in a constant struggle to control or maintain your weight, odds are you have a tendency to be resistant to insulin more than those who seem to effortlessly maintain their weight.  Most diets don't work well...or for long...because they don't address the insulin problem.  They just try to restrict calories and that doesn't work because the problem is not that you are consuming too many calories but rather that your body is unable to convert the calories you consume to energy because the excessive insulin is telling your body to store it as fat instead.

If you have struggled, as I have, to maintain a healthy body weight and have been frustrated by the long-term effectiveness of every weight-loss plan you've ever tried (too hard to stay on it, or just doesn't seem to work) then may I recommend a book that will help you understand why you these plans have failed you and what you can do that DOES work:

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It is backed up with cutting edge science and exposes a lot of what we have been taught about diet and health as misguided attempts to prove what seems logical but is, in fact, utterly false.  All I can tell you is it changed my life immeasurably for the the better.  Sorry if I sound like an infomercial here, but this book proved to me that it was not a lack of willpower or bad genes that was causing my problems.  It was the flawed science behind the conventional wisdom of weight loss.
  
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Reply #19 - Mar 1st, 2011 at 5:20am
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Man, I'm glad I'm hanging out with you guys. Whoever would of thought a canoeing forum would have impact on your life? Weird......

I have the book coming.
  
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