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Reply #10 - Mar 2nd, 2011 at 12:38am
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Not wanting to start any arguments, Azalea, but if I follow your reasoning, I would never have gone on a canoe trip myself to begin with!  I never camped as a child, my family stayed in motels when we traveled (and my mother demanded that they be nice ones, too!)  I had never slept in a tent in my life until Spartan1 decided that we should go on a "Wilderness Canoe Trip", just the two of us, at age 26.  I was terrified of bugs, was likely to scream if a spider came within ten feet of me, and actually did duck and squeal when dragonflies darted above us as we were paddling on our first sunny day on the Loon River.  I found them absolutely terrifying and Spartan1 had to assure me that they wouldn't bite!

It is admirable that you took your children on trips as infants, if that is what your family wanted to do.  But I don't buy the theory that it is an "important step in teaching kids to enjoy the outdoors", or at least that it is a necessary one.  Many kids go on their first outdoor adventure with a youth group or a scout group when they are in Junior High or High School, even college age, (as Spartan1 did) and the outdoor camping "bug" bites them then.   Wink

And, as others have already mentioned, sometimes you can do it through all of their childhood and they STILL decide that it isn't for them.  There is just no figuring out what will happen with that next generation.

Isn't parenthood wonderful?   Grin

And now we are starting to introduce our grandchildren to the BWCA.  I find myself wondering how that will end up in the long run, too.  





  
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Reply #11 - Mar 2nd, 2011 at 2:15am
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I've been taking my twin boys to Canada on a fishing trip every year since they were 2, they are now 24. The trips in early years were with power boats and had us staying in cabins. They love to fish, especially for Northerns and Musky, and are now very good fishermen, much better than me. I took them on a canoe camping fishing trip when they were about 12. They hated it. Too much work. The last 4 or 5 years they have been coming with me on my yearly canoe trip, mainly motivated by fishing. Last year I went on a trip from Nym to Sturgeon with my son Dan, just the two of us. He caught the biggest fish of his life. He loved it, but not only for the fishing. He finally has gained an appeciation for the adventure, the solitude, the scenery and the the sense of satisfaction from being self sufficient. It was a great trip. Just be patient and let them come to it in there own time, and if they don't, love them just the same.
  
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Reply #12 - Mar 2nd, 2011 at 6:50am
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FWIW - all throughout my teenage years, the one thing that would guarantee my interest would be my father telling me no or simply that I wasn't capable, being foolish....

I always had an interest in hunting, fishing, camping ... my father did not. I was able eventually to talk him into taking me fishing a few times, graduating into twice a weekend for years culminating into family vacations spent fishing up north. Quite often, he'd make the tools we'd use or be working on someone's cabin (on his vacation) while I was out fishing. Being in a fishing sized boat was always a bit out of his comfort zone since couldn't swim but he did it anyway.

My interest in fishing began to wain once I actually figured out how to catch fish on a regular basis and stopped abruptly one day when a car horn blew. We were pulling into the driveway after a week up north and one of my friends drove by with girls in the car. DOH!

I discovered Q trips in college and I don't think I've fished locally before or since. I know he's never suggested we go fishing in 35+ years. He did enjoy it somewhat but there were things/priorites in his life that he enjoyed more than fishing. To him, fishing is an excuse to sit on your butt and waste time while claiming to be doing something of value. Kind of like how I feel when taking my daughter to hockey practice. At least she enjoys it. I'd even take her fishing if she asked.

Oh that's right, I did take her fishing once - up north, friends cabin. I fixed the screen door that didn't open right too.  Grin
  
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Reply #13 - Mar 3rd, 2011 at 12:25am
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Thank-you all very much for your replies. I thoroughly enjoyed them!
  
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Reply #14 - Mar 3rd, 2011 at 5:18am
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My kids are 9 and 11 and have grown up at the end of the Gunflint Trail.  My son fishes from the dock all day long and loves to go camping, fishing, canoeing, kayaking and boating while my daughter never wants to. 
Sometimes I drag her along and she whines and complains but other times she enjoys herself. Even if she is crabby or won't talk to me at least she isn't sitting in front of a computer or watching television and she can't stay mad forever.  The wilderness is a wonderful place for kids whether they realize it or not.
I love to take my solo trips too, or paddle and camp with just my husband.  When I get back from a trip I'm always a better parent and am more relaxed and appreciative of things. 
There's only going to be so many years I can paddle with them, so if I have to force them to come along with me a few times then I will.

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Reply #15 - Mar 3rd, 2011 at 6:25am
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When my boy scout troop went on their annual camping trip and I had an appendectomy instead, when it was over my Dad decided, for the first time in his life, he would take me on a backpacking trip.  It was a disaster because neither of us knew what we were doing.  But it hooked me.  I had my own 3 kids backpacking, with their own little adjustable kid packs by when they were 4, 5, and 6.  Also fishing.  Also did a week's houseboat trip with them at Lake of the Woods, and my oldest turned out to be exuberant going after the walleyes.  Later, I took them on a canoe one-nighter; unfortunately my daughter fell in totally at the shoreline getting out of the boat.  Now they are in their 30s.  Daughter wants no part of the outdoors.  Oldest is a technical climber and fisherman and cyclist and hiker.  Youngest is a camping/hiking fanatic and involves his kids too.  Took two of my grandsons on a two-night canoe trip about a year and a half ago at ages 5 and 6.  They had a magnificent time.  And I suspect we'll be doing it a lot more if my back and legs will give me a few more years.  My son, stepson, and son-in-law are all excited about a tripe we're planning this summer to the Q for the 4 of us.  I'm stoked.  I used to go hiking backpacking regularly and only occasional canoeing.  But as the bones get creakier, the canoe is easier than the feet.  Bought me a whitewater canoe last week and joined up with a group of folks who want to explore Colorado rivers by canoe.  I think I've been blessed with a natural enthusiasm for all sorts of diverse activities, and there's enough variety so that all the kids and all the grandkids share some interest or other.  And I make sure that's nourished.  Once a year, near their birthday, I have a one-on-one date with each of them, doing something that they like.  Pro sporting events, camping, horseback riding, museum, concerts, theater, and quite a few others.  These are some of the best times, and I don't go along reluctantly, I have a blast doing the things they like; and then most of them are eager to put up with me on a hike or in a canoe.  Not a bad life for an old man.
  
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Reply #16 - Mar 3rd, 2011 at 6:29am
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Not wanting to start any arguments, Azalea, but if I follow your reasoning, I would never have gone on a canoe trip myself to begin with!

That was not my reasoning.  One is more likely to engage in an activity one is comfortable with.  Thta does not mean kids growing up in the outdoors will love it when they get older.  And it does not mean kids who had no exposure to the outdoors will hate it as adults.

But be it camping, ballet, art, reading, or whatever, exposing that activty to a child makes it more likely they will also have an interest later in life (provided they are not FORCED into the activity -- boy did I hate dance lessons!!!).
  
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Reply #17 - Mar 3rd, 2011 at 1:26pm
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"Bought me a whitewater canoe last week and joined up with a group of folks who want to explore Colorado rivers by canoe."

so Mountain, in case you haven't heard

bring that new boat out on the 19th of March- S Platte Evans to Kersey - annual multi-club group trip - anywhere from a dozen to 65 boats show up, depending on the weather
  
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Reply #18 - Mar 3rd, 2011 at 2:39pm
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Was already planning to be there, with my son.  Look for a really dinged up old Dagger Caper, blue, being hauled around by a spry 70 year old and his 40 year old son, both of us in the 5'9" range, and introduce yourself, MM. Pray for warm weather, or better yet, no wind.  The water will be pretty cold this time of year; would prefer not to have to contend with a below-freezing chill factor also.
   Poor canoeists down in Florida--don't know what it means to have a real spring fling--the ice is gone; figure out where you put the insulated paddle gloves!  Time to be on the water again!
  
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Reply #19 - Mar 3rd, 2011 at 2:59pm
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Once a year, near their birthday, I have a one-on-one date with each of them, doing something that they like.  Pro sporting events, camping, horseback riding, museum, concerts, theater, and quite a few others.  These are some of the best times, and I don't go along reluctantly, I have a blast doing the things they like; and then most of them are eager to put up with me on a hike or in a canoe.  Not a bad life for an old man.


Dude, I want your life when I'm older (i.e. have grandkids).

"Not a bad life" indeed.

If every father and grandfather took such an interest, our crime rate, dropout rate, illegal drug use rate, welfare rate, etc. etc. would be sharply reduced.

-- kypaddler
  
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