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Reply #10 - May 25th, 2011 at 5:22pm
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JChief wrote on May 25th, 2011 at 12:12pm:
jr thundersticks have worked very well on SB. Typically cast (they cast well with a longer rod and no more than 8# test, usually use 6#) to rock piles and around mid lake humps and saddles between islands. Also in swift water below falls and rapids. I have had good success trolling deep thundersticks in @ 15' along rocky shorelines for walleye early and late in the day. I am partial to the perch pattern. Better take a few because NP seem to like them very well and will do a good bit of damage to the lure. Battle scarred thundersticks bring back good memories. Presentation depends on time of year/water temp. Report back on your results.

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I'm on board with everything Chief has to say. Good advice. I too am partial to a long rod with 6lb test. You can generally make a nice long cast with such outfits. I also like the perch pattern near the bottom early and late on rocky shorelines for Mr. marble-eye. And yes, the pike are quite partial to a perch pattern crank on 6lb test. Probably the only difference is I'll fish deeper starting July 1st and focus on 25 to 29 ft of water for the walleyes even right at dark.
  
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Reply #11 - May 25th, 2011 at 8:30pm
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i tend to put firetiger and natural perch pattern in the same boat when it comes to color choices. both are quite similar with firetiger being more obnoxious and triggering an aggressive response and perch bringing out the more finicky or seasoned fish that want something very natural. with that said, my tackle box contains more firetiger cranks than perch pattern ones by a margin of 14:2. the perch ones spend nearly all of their time collecting dust in the tray because i only really ever use them in SUPER clear water. because the two patterns are so similar, the firetiger is my choice in dingy water, stained water, at night, or at dawn.

sometimes i think that i might over analyze what baits i use. when it comes to choosing between perch or firetiger, i go with firetiger because more fish should be able to see it. what are your thoughts?
  
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Reply #12 - May 25th, 2011 at 9:14pm
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I judge every lure and every presentation by how big fish react to it. I hope that doesn't make me some sort of snob. The bigger fish are just more of a challenge is all I guess.

As per Chiefs post earlier in this thread..........you are quite likely to have faster action and catch more "eater" size walleyes in 15' from July onward. Personally, I find the big boys are quite a bit deeper for the most part.

So do cranks with rattles catch lots of fish? Yup.........but how many really big ones? The same with firetiger vs. natural. In my book (and I could be wrong) if you want to catch lots of mediums throw a smallish rattling firetiger crankbait. Want the big boys? Throw a big quiet perch or a trout. But like I said, I could be wrong.....and in fact there will be times my choice is the wrong choice given the conditions.

I will add one caveat.........I love firetiger for big northerns Smiley
  
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Reply #13 - May 25th, 2011 at 9:14pm
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Sometimes I do tend to repeat myself Tongue
  
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Reply #14 - May 26th, 2011 at 1:07am
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mastertangler wrote on May 25th, 2011 at 9:14pm:
I love firetiger for big northerns Smiley


Seems Northerns are especially interested in lures with a bit of red/orange. Firetiger cranks seem to take more NP than other colors patterns in my experience. One of my favorites for grass snakes is a Mepps Musky Killer with orange Colorado blades and black and red skirt. Love to fish them for fun.

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Reply #15 - May 26th, 2011 at 1:44am
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dont get me wrong, im not against natural patterns. when i do find myself looking for a natural, i always end up turning to silver. whenever i use live bait, mainly minnows, i have great success on 3-4 inch shiners. my largest walleyes have all come on soft plastics (i fish them 75% of the time i would guess so the numbers are skewed) and the next few came on silver shiners. so it only follows when i reach for a natural pattern crank i look for silver. i find it a little more attractive and reflective so its easier to see.

this year during our trip, i plan to do a lot more walleye targeted trolling than previous years. that means staying out well past dark and running cranks over the reefs and deep areas near dropoffs. i picked up a few new cranks for this application to give myself more variety in coloration and rattle/no rattle. previously my arsenal for this style of trolling was a blue/silver shad body x rap XRS8, firetiger shad rap SR7, deep down husky jerk gold DHJ10, a parrot shad rap, and a glass ghost x rap XRD08.

since then, i have added... a moss shiner x rap XRS08, purpledescent shad rap SR07, a hot tiger shad rap SR09, a silver blue shad rap SRRS07, a firetiger trolls to minnow 15ft, firetiger tail dancer 20ft, and a scheels pro pack of flicker shads in yellow perch, hot tiger, and firetiger.
  
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Reply #16 - May 26th, 2011 at 3:48am
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Are you tripping in July Jax or getting married in July (or maybe both! Smiley ) I can't remember.

Should we get into some fine details.............? Why not, it is a forum after all. My disclaimer is thus......I might be wrong Wink

I like your lure selection but mostly for casting purposes. I know darn tootin well that a lot of damage can be done with shad raps but agin I like them for casting or perhaps trolling in june.

If your going in July or later where's the big lures? Where's the lures that hit 25'? One thing I have learned about the fish in the savage north......they like it big.
  
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Reply #17 - May 26th, 2011 at 11:52am
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our trip is july 6th-13th and the wedding is august 13th.

i troll those same baits but let out a bit more line to get them to dive those few extra feet. i run 15/4 powerpro and 14/6 fireline, so you can get some pretty deep lures by letting out a little more line. i usually dont go deeper than the 25' range with cranks, however. beyond that, they put a bit too much stress on my equipment for my taste. i did get my hands on some keel weights for this year to sink my J11 down into that range if i paddle slow enough.

i had a red tiger 30' tail dancer, but i ran it aground so many times that the lip began to curl under and i think it was running more as a modified 25'er. i couldnt handle seeing my rod curl in half so much and then bounce and load up on bottom like that. after all, i spend so much time with my rods its almost like they are my babies.
  
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Reply #18 - May 26th, 2011 at 12:18pm
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Are you running straight power pro to the lure? Any leader?

It would be interesting to me to troll side by side with you for comparison sake. I think if you are running straight power pro to the lure it is costing you some big ones. But again that is just my bias and conjecture and without trolling side by side with the same lure I have only my suspicion to base it on. And of course you wouldn't know either. A dozen 8lb'ers could of swam up to your plug and turned away at the last second due to line visibility and you would be no wiser.

First you don't want to hurt the little trouts and now your worried about banging your lure on the bottom. This is a side of you I hadn't expected. The future Mrs. Jax is a lucky lady to have such a tender hearted fellow Wink.



  
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Re: Storm thunderstick?
Reply #19 - May 26th, 2011 at 12:46pm
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Jax:
Suggest you purchase some shares of Rapala stock as well given your lure selection.

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