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Reply #10 - Jul 14th, 2011 at 9:37pm
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Core core core, stretch at dinner ...cool I do have some good habits!

I also isolate when I lift- lift then twist never both at same time.

Your core has a ton to do with one's balance; as does depth perception and vision...noodle on that during tonight's stretch  Wink Wink Huh:-?
  
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Reply #11 - Jul 14th, 2011 at 9:46pm
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Everyone says don't twist...........somehow I can't picture getting a big pack on without some twisting involved.

Ahhhh.........lift then twist.............I dunno..........I always seem to do it all in one motion (maybe that's why my back was hurtin)

How about grabbing the boat? Lean out and over and lift!



  
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Reply #12 - Jul 14th, 2011 at 10:24pm
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I've seen lots of people lift/put on heavy packs with varying degrees of success.

Many people stick one arm thru a pack strap and try to pull it on like a jacket, twisting as they lift, then flounder to get the other arm in.

If you have a lot of upper body strength, you might get away with it, but most people will eventually hurt themselves struggling with a heavy pack.

I've seen people stand behind pack and attempt to roll pack up and over their head and slide both hands thru shoulder straps. Works okay on areal light pack, a heavy food pack, not so much Tongue

When I'm with others, I like the pick up their pack by side straps as they get into shoulder straps. Much safer and easier than going it alone.

Solo, I like to use the bow of my canoe to sit pack on and then turn, squat slightly and slide into straps. A big rock/log will work too.

Canoes are where it's really about technique, not brute force. Bending your knees, keeping your back as straight as possible and as you reach across the yoke, you twist your trunk and snap your hips at the same time.

I don't claim to be an expert, I don't get enough time on the water, but people who do and know the right way to pick up a canoe or pack, make it look like child's play.

I saw a little 100# College girl at a canoe rental outfitter for Algonquin Park, pick up and portage a tandem Royalex canoe while her much larger, stronger male counterparts struggled to get it overhead.

It's all about leverage and balance. Power comes thru your hips/legs just like in baseball/football.

This explains it very well. I'd say it's as much about being flexible and proper technique than anything else.

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Reply #13 - Jul 15th, 2011 at 1:22pm
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solotripper wrote on Jul 14th, 2011 at 10:24pm:
Canoes are where it's really about technique, not brute force.

Yep, should be an olympic event.

Good link!
  
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Reply #14 - Jul 15th, 2011 at 2:09pm
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Bowing the pack, never thought of that. The sharing of info always contributes to knowledge.

Me I face the old pack, towards the part that rides my small back. Grasp the sides or handles and hoist to my knee. Then slip my right hand/arm into right shoulder strap. Bend ever so slightly to let the pack come to rest upon my back. Then slip the old left arm in , make some adjustments. Off I go. Its an old backpacking technique.

When shouldering a boat: a little momentum generating bouncing off the thighs can help. The old bridge technique can help too, as can the deck rest...the former is how I built the strength to shoulder the Chestnut solo back in the day; I only had maybe 30-35# on that barge.
  
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Reply #15 - Jul 15th, 2011 at 4:30pm
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looks like I do it all wrong.............

I face the pack...........cross my hands grabbing opposing straps and swing the whole shebang up and around while grunting the words "up kimba" with a slight indian (from india Wink ) accent

I brace the side of the pack with a forearm while I slide one arm in and then the other. A smidge tricky I rekon but I usually do OK unless I forget to slacken my shoulder straps. Quite a bit of twisting and lifting though.

I probably do the boat all wrong to I bet. I just lean over and grab the thing. I might have to re-think that now since I am thinking about adding a "real" backrest. I have one coming from eds canoe. All wood and cane with no blasted side straps which I have always been leery of should I have a spill (entanglement hazard with the batman belt). Problem is the blasted thing weighs a ton at 4lbs. I'm thinking of doing some surgery on it so the backrest part just hits my lower back instead of upper back. Maybe I can shave a pound.

My solo bell is starting to get heavy. 2 rods and reels, depth finder, brackets to hold GPS/compass/pliers and now an incredibly heavy backrest and a backpack with 7 lbs of lures.

It will be worth it if my back does better. I like the idea of cutting it down, perhaps it won't get in the way when I paddle and I'll have it when I fish or just need to kick back and stretch. I spend a lot of time in the boat and not so much in camp.

Time to man up and stop whimpering about 55 lbs of boat and gear on a portage. Back in the day guys routinely portaged 80lb boats as a matter of routine and didn't think nothing of it. 
  
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Reply #16 - Jul 15th, 2011 at 5:15pm
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Quite a bit of twisting and lifting though.

I probably do the boat all wrong to I bet. I just lean over and grab the thing.


I bet the majority of people do the same thing, whatever they learned ( right or wrong) and until you get a nagging injury or worse don't give it a second thought.

I know I did until I tweaked my back and found that "man- up" doesn't always translate to " wising-up" Wink

Over the long haul, technique will always beat brute strength. Sadly most active people wish they had learned that before they developed those nagging injuries or serious ones that keep them from doing what they love.

The proper canoe lifting link is a good example. If your just muscling your canoe up, your asking for lower back problems. All the stretching/ exercises in the world can't make up for bad technique. You may get away with it for awhile but when it catches up to you it won't be pretty Cry

Add in the weight of a heavy pack and sooner or later you'll pay the price. I'd be willing to bet that if you took a few minutes to compare the difference between the proper technique and just grabbing and going, a reasonable person would have to conclude they were working waaay harder  and un-safer than need be Wink
  
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Reply #17 - Jul 15th, 2011 at 6:12pm
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I would be interested to see how others would get my pack on and I mean that in all humility. I can't really see many alternatives that look or sound good to me.

I detest the thought of someone helping me and I can't quite see setting the pack on something (other than the tailgate of my truck Wink ) and getting in. Setting it on my knee?!?! I dunno. None of it has the right ring to my ear.

Mu buddy who is bigger and stronger than me can't muscle my pack on the way I do it so I guess I must have some sort of strategy in place that seems to work.

I should bring my stuff over to your place ST and see how you would do it. (I'll buy you a hamburger Wink ). Marlin sounds like he has it going on to but the last time I weighed my pack it came in at just a hair shy of 80lbs and setting it on my knee first sounds counter intuitive. Seems to me a little momentum is required although holding it out to the side with a forearm can be a bit awkward sometimes but I get it on 9 out of 10 times on the first try.
  
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Reply #18 - Jul 15th, 2011 at 10:32pm
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Why not the tailgate of your truck? From ground, you squat, keep back straight, grab side grab handles/pack strap loops and use your legs to lift to tailgate, then slip in.

In woods, you have bow of canoe, rocks/logs. Anything you can use to lessen the strain of bringing a heavy pack from it's lowest position.

Facing the pack straps, lifting with them and setting the pack on one knee, then inserting your arm of choice is far easier than bulling it up from the ground with most of the strain on your arms/upper-body, lower back if your not lifting with your legs.
I can and will take it up that way, if there's no alternative but I avoid it if I can. Your beating yourself up when you don't really need too.

80 lbs is way more than I would want for my pack. Are you 2x portaging with pack 1x and canoe separate, or are you 1x portaging?  I'd consider heavy food pack, and a gear pack with the canoe, changing that when the food pack lightens up.

If your buddy is bigger and stronger than you and can't muscle your pack the way you do tells me that you do have a technique that works for you, but it doesn't necessarily mean it's a technique that's good for your body Wink

The Voyagers carried loads that most of us couldn't even get off the ground. They also had short life expectancies and I would bet spine/hip problems that probably left them in chronic pain after their tripping days Cry

You said the Isle Royale trip really put the hurt on your body? Imagine what 2 weeks or longer will do in the WCPP?
I have to think it will be much more strenuous and if your body revolts on you, where will that leave you Cry

On a solo trip the heavier the load, the greater chance of injury, whether from the weight or a inadvertent slip/fall.
I understand detesting someone/ something helping you, but like the old Bible proverb says, Pride really does go before a Fall. Or as my Dad use to tell me, " Learn to work smarter, not harder "  Wink
  
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Reply #19 - Jul 15th, 2011 at 10:47pm
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I just started putting my pack on as Solotripper suggested on my last trip. It was smooth and easy.
  
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