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Aug 9th, 2011 at 3:47pm
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As per my usual custom when I travel about I spend my free time ambling about the big box stores like Bass pro or cabelas in various cities. I spent one such evening in Gander mountain in Kenosha Wi a month ago and while eyeing their considerable muskie selection I came across what I suspect will be my new "go-to" lure when traveling and trolling. A very large flat rap.

I had not come across this option previously at any other tackle shop and had not even known it was produced in this size. I liken it to an f-18 original rapala but with a wider profile and better looking action. It is also a bit heavier and has neutral buoyancy. I would say this lure is a good 6" long.

What I look for in a lure that I can run while traveling is something big that doesn't have a lot of drag on my boat. This should fit the bill perfectly. During my recent injury I spent some time casting from the sandbar while awaiting a ride out and was able to see how the big lure performed. I coupled it with an 80lb FC leader and was very impressed with both the action, the 8ft running depth and the nice pike that thought it good to eat.

The hooks are ideal for tackle that is usually brought into canoe country. That is, they are of narrow diameter and extremely sharp so they could be set easily by a rod rated for 10lb test and above. I have a very good feeling about this lure and will stock up lest it be discontinued (like the original large fat raps and the original balsa husky lures).

  
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Reply #1 - Aug 9th, 2011 at 7:34pm
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Looks similar to a floating shad rap but i see the flat rap is a neutral buoyancy lure. how similar/dissimilar is it in your opinion? Plan for me was to gradually stock up on shad raps but this flat rap might nose in on the plan.
  
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Reply #2 - Aug 9th, 2011 at 8:44pm
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Most people would view the largest flat rap version I speak of as a pike lure and rightly so. I did, after all, find it in the "muskie section" of the store. The size of the lure puts it more in the category of a super shad rap than a regular rap.

But without the heavy drag on a boat that a super shad rap has. In that respect the big flat rap is likely similar to the drag a shad rap would have but in a bigger offering. That my friend is the beauty of the package.

My inclination in canoe country (and yearly experience at Sioux Lookout fish camps previously) is that northern fish are quite savage when it comes to killing and are used to eyeing big meals and in my experience often prefer them. Curiously I have noticed no drop off in catching average sized fish on oversized lures. And that includes walleyes as well as pike. One of my favorite big walleye lures is a super shad rap. But just try pulling one for an hour or two.....no dice!

The big flat raps have a decided disadvantage however when it comes to getting snagged. They have a small plastic lip and generally run parallel to the bottom which makes their hooks ideal candidates for grabbing any snag present. The shad rap on the other hand is surprisingly snag resistant with its angled down attitude which helps keep the hooks out of trouble. The equalizer would be a depth finder. Remember, although I suspect the lure would work just fine casting I am viewing it specifically as a trolling lure to be used while traveling. My philosophy is to pull a big lure that won't wear you out after 8 hours of pulling it and this seems to fit the bill nicely.
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The largest size is what I am looking at (6.250" long) 
  
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Reply #3 - Aug 11th, 2011 at 4:17pm
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Hey MT,

Agree completely on the flat rap. Great lure. Also funny you mentioned the original balsa rapala Husky. It still had the tighter wobble of a regular floating rap, with a wider profile that pushed more water. I used to slay on that lure.

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Reply #4 - Aug 11th, 2011 at 4:25pm
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Hey Moonman
Curious if you have tried the large version? I never got a chance to run one although I did pop a good pike while checking them out from my little sandbar home.

A word about that little sandbar home........I had to set up literally within feet of the water and spent a mostly sleepless night. What I noted during the night was the tremendous fish activity just outside my door that night. I had noticed a good amount of minnows and small perch were using the bar when I rolled up to it and now, during the middle of the night, the fish were tearing them up. Walleyes I would suppose including some real whoppers (big splashes).
  
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Reply #5 - Aug 11th, 2011 at 4:44pm
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Hi MT,

Personally I haven't used it. My regular canoe partner uses it when we do our spring lake trout trips (I am usually trolling huge streamers on my fly rod). It has a bit wider wobble than a regular floating rap but the size is perfect for imitating the 6-8 inch ciscoes the lakers are eating. Funnily enough though, the perch colour pattern has caught the most fish. Still, the #12 husky jerk, with the dark top, greenish sides and orange belly catches the most fish overall (among minnow baits) - even large brookies eat it.

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Reply #6 - Aug 12th, 2011 at 3:53am
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ive heard somewhere that the lips on flatraps are subject to easy breakoffs. ive looked into those lures before, but i couldnt really find the niche where i would use something that runs that shallow...im not really a fan of weights in front of my cranks, but its hard to justify leadcore for only a couple lures.

@ moonman, the color pattern you are refering to is tennessee shad? every time im in the store looking to waste money on another crank i have that one in my hand but ive never gotten it. over the last couple years (my nerdy side is gonna show through here) ive been keeping records of what we catch fish on, size/color/depth/etc. ive even gone as far as breaking the color pattern down into top/middle/bottom. i guess what you say makes sense with that pattern because surprisingly the probably skewed and insufficient data i have says green top, silver sides, and white bottom(with orange coming in a close second).

my arsenal of lures contains mostly xraps and taildancers, but this year i took a deep husky and i really liked how it performed. ill have to look further into it because i really like the dive curve, but from what i can tell the tennessee shad doesnt come in the deep version. that would be a shame...
  
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Reply #7 - Aug 12th, 2011 at 12:11pm
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Jax,
looks can be deceiving. One of the things I liked about the flat raps is that they dive deeper than original rapalas. My largest smallie last year in the Q came on one.

I would wager a strong bet that the large flat rap that has caught my attention would run in the 8' to 10' range which is perfect for my shoreline running style of paddling that I generally employ.

Are you sure it was the flat raps that have had "issues" with the lips? Curious as their lips protrude only very slightly.

What I really liked about the smaller versions was the sideways roll they exhibit when snapped. With their wider profile that snap really creates a lot of flash in the water......a key strike provoker IMO. You really should try one.........a 1st rate lure.

The other thing I liked about the large version (and why I'm so high on it) is that the wobble was strong enough to overcome the heavy FC leader that I employ while trolling an "all species lure". Much has been made of trolling wire and still catching any and all fish and the idea being it makes little or no difference. With all due respect, ( there are many accomplished anglers on this site that hold that belief) I personally believe that is just wishful thinking. If it were so the pro walleye circuit would be using heavy line for any application. It is common knowledge that the lightest and thinnest line generally will prove most productive especially for the larger specimens.

Can you be productive trolling wire? Yes, absolutely. But I can't help but wonder how many larger fish turned away. Neither side of the issue can prove much of anything unless they troll side by side but truth has a certain ring to it and using wire for big walleyes seems, at least in my mind, an error. Besides, I lose very few lures to northerns anyway even trolling straight mono (zero last year in 9 days).

Anyway, I liked the big rap with 80lb FC. Looked menacing and challenging. Something to get a big fishes attention and make it worth while to get her big fat butt in motion.
  
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Reply #8 - Aug 12th, 2011 at 12:19pm
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Springtime
Early...when the female 'eyes are putting on the feedbag in 3-4 ft of water
6" raps cast from shore or a dock are the cats meow....
  
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Reply #9 - Aug 12th, 2011 at 1:28pm
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In spring, the trout pattern we use for lakers is trolling open water adjacent to humps and shoals - and sometimes right over the deep basin. Lakers come up and will take lures anywhere from 5-15 feet down so the running depth of the flat rap is fine. I also think it could be interesting along a deep weed edge - say running 8 feet down over 12 feet of water in the early summer for walleyes. The thing that appeals to me about them is the thin profile with that longer length. It really could be the ticket for for picking up bigger than average fish while working lots of water on a troll.


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