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Aug 24th, 2011 at 2:37pm
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I personally think that freeze dried gets a bit of a bum rap. I suppose the pros and cons can be debated till the cows come home but I think it can be useful, especially if weight is a concern.

On shorter trips I find it easier to get by with other options but on longer trips the weight savings make it attractive especially if you can punch it up with some other additions (like some fish). If you are loaded with dough the individual foil serving packets are fine but seem to add up ($) rather quickly if your trip is more than 10 days or so.

Here is what I do. I prefer mountain house and I purchase the #10 tins when they go on sale in the middle of winter. Then I empty the tins into a nalgene 96 oz water canteen. These canteens are mislabeled IMO and should be marketed as food storage containers. Excellent for oats or freeze dried they have a wide mouth air tight seal, are flexible and nearly indestructible. It is easy to manipulate the bag to empty the contents. They are tough to find as most folk don't use them for water and thus they probably sell infrequently.
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You will need a "cozie" for your pan as you now haven't got the option of the foil pouch. Somewhere in the past I have mentioned the company you can get the cozies from (previous thread). The whole system works very nicely. Just boil the water, add the freeze dried and stick it in the cozie for 15 minutes. I like to let it set a bit longer than what is called for. Don't worry, it will be plenty hot.

I actually prefer this method over the individual servings as I don't have the messy foil pouch to worry about after I eat. Yup, you have to wash it out and then you have to store it or burn it (and it doesn't burn that great). No matter how well you wash it there will be some left over food particles and over time it will start to smell and you might end up with some uninvited company.
  
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Reply #1 - Aug 24th, 2011 at 3:02pm
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Another option for a cozy is to take a foil pouch ... one large enough for you to slip your pot into.

I took a foil pouch on my last trip, mainly to keep biscuits and fry bread warm while the rest of the meal was still cooking.  (Actually, I finished cooking the fry bread and then started the walleye fillets.)  It got rinsed and re-used several times during that trip.

And the price for the foil pouch was right ... I re-purposed one that sweetner comes in that is resealable.  This also means that I can dispose of it after the trip because I should have a new one available before the next trip.  (But, you can also buy them commercially if you don't use that kind of product.)  I also have one that is probably 2 gallons, but that seemed a little excessive for my last trip ... darn Home Grocer went belly up a few years back and they didn't' return to pick up the last cold foods delivery bag (complete with a couple of gel cold packs).  I'm thinking this bag (less the gel packs) might see a trip in the not too distant future when I take more foods that need to remain cool for a few days.

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Reply #2 - Aug 24th, 2011 at 4:05pm
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Help me out here MT. Are you scooping out individual servings of the 10 tin contents, and heating just that?  Are the contents mixed up enough that certain parts don't all settle?  And do you eat the same ting every night for the whole trip?
  
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Reply #3 - Aug 24th, 2011 at 4:40pm
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Totally agree on the bum rap.  Some of that stuff is much better than some of the stuff I've made for camping.  I think it's lingering sentiment over valid complaints of the quality fd used to have.  They've gotten a lot better at it now.

It's a weight savings when compared to fresh food.

Rehydrating in a pot works better than in the pouch.

I dehydrate my own and my food is 1/2 the weight/meal that store bought fd stuff is.  Usually tastes better too, usually.

Less than $50 on a dehydrator 15 years ago has saved me thou$and$.
  
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Reply #4 - Aug 24th, 2011 at 4:45pm
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BillConner wrote on Aug 24th, 2011 at 4:05pm:
Help me out here MT. Are you scooping out individual servings of the 10 tin contents, and heating just that?  Are the contents mixed up enough that certain parts don't all settle?  And do you eat the same ting every night for the whole trip?


Bill if you hit the sale right it ends up being almost 1/2 price from the foil 2 serving pouches (which is really single serve!). I typically get 4 or 5 tins and store them in the air tight water canteens. Just get an oversized spoon to transfer the contents of the tins to the canteens. Although I don't mind eating the same thing all the time I do mix it up and will bring 3 different things.....again packed in a water canteen. Indestructible. Due to their pliable nature it is an easy task to shake it up a bit to mix.

I like to have a measure cup and just shake out the amount I want into the measure cup. I'd have to look but I think the ratio is 1 part mix to 1 part boiling water but I could be wrong (I make mine a little soupier and let it set longer). You must have some way to retain the heat inside the pan. I suppose you could keep your stove on simmer but that wastes fuel and runs the risk of burning.

I like DD's idea of using a foil pouch for keeping bread warm (or most anything for that matter) but I think the snug fitting cozy is tops. My cozy fits my pot perfectly (they make them to fit a wide variety of cookware). I place pot inside cozy and then place everything in a stuff sack to protect the cozy. Works perfectly.

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Reply #5 - Aug 24th, 2011 at 4:55pm
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Thanks.  I'm not sure that in a year I'd use that much but possible.  The other problem I would have is the high sodium content of most freeze dried foods - which is why dehydrating my own cooking is probably a better choice - even if it weighs a little more.

I agree that the taste has become pretty good - everybody's stroganoff seemingly very good.  But then I wonder if you got some powdered sour cream if all meals wouldn't benefit.
  
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Reply #6 - Aug 24th, 2011 at 5:03pm
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If you are unfamiliar with freeze dried I will broach a side effect. Some folk have gastronomical distress. I have noticed that I become more gaseous but have no stomach discomfort. My stool remains good but I eat oats every morning and that may balance things out. Some folk get loose. You may want to see how you do before committing an entire trip to it. I don't want to steer you wrong.

BTW; the shelf life is 25 years on the freeze dried. Just keep it in the air tight canteens or in the tins and you are set for several seasons.
  
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Reply #7 - Aug 24th, 2011 at 5:49pm
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Use to do all freeze dried and have transitioned to mostly grocery store "instant" and fresh food over the last  10 years.  Have used Cache Lake quite a bit - pretty good - but still like exploring the grocery stores for "finds".  Solo is jst a little more challenging.  A pasta side for 4 makes a good main dish for two with a foil pack of chicken but hard to scale those to one easily.  So always looking - Hawk Vittles and Packit Gourmet seem best - which is a long ways from saving money using the 10 tins.
  
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Reply #8 - Aug 25th, 2011 at 2:21pm
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I agree FD seems to be easy and it tastes fine to me. I've done the grocery store thing and been on outfitter trips where fancier dinners were done. To me it's fun to do fancier meals with  larger groups than solo trips. I think the shared dinners are another way of getting a group to feel together. There's more hands to share tasks around camp. Another reason to use FD while soloing, you do it all yourself and FD leaves time for other things. I always have some FD meals stashed in the food barrel for those days when traveling took a bit more out of you than expected and you're tired.

I think the thing that I miss the most after a few days is something crunchy, or with some tooth, as they say. So I've been carrying apples. Bring a wedge of cabbage too for slaw with your fish dinner. Apple, cabbage, olive oil, lemon juice, and salt & pepper. My GF brings bagels chips for the same reason. Eat'm along with the FD or soup for some crunch.

FD or store stuff, rehydrated mush gets old after a few days.
  
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Reply #9 - Aug 25th, 2011 at 3:50pm
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I find some frying pan bread - Cache Lake or just pizza dough - helsp with mushy meals.  I like the slaw idea but seems better for a group than solo.
  
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