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Reply #50 - Nov 8th, 2011 at 2:28am
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The bullets are always IN the gun!
  
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Reply #51 - Nov 8th, 2011 at 2:32am
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I'm not sure what a bear banger is ,(explosive devise on a stick?) ,but does all this mean if I take "main  street" in the BWCA up to the more remote area north of Malberg I'll be more likely to have bear problems?  (...a 44 vaquero always helps me sleep where anything might threaten me...) (Yep,got rope .)
  
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Reply #52 - Nov 8th, 2011 at 2:49am
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here's a review knafelc...(it's slow, let it load)
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P.S., switch that Vaquero to a Redhawk, you'll need the quick followup of a double-action.
  
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Reply #53 - Nov 8th, 2011 at 3:26am
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Those are neat. My interest is more as a signaling device though.

When a bear hit my motion detector alarm (pretty dang loud... as in hurt your ear loud) it had zero effect on my bear. He paused for about 3 seconds......never even ran a few steps away. The whole time he was munching my granola the alarm was going off. Probably woke every one up on Sawbill for 1/2 mile.

Like all creatures though bears are individuals and I suspect a goodly number might just head for the hills........but I have already seen it isn't for sure.

These might also work as extremely effective practical joke tools. "Time to wake up" Grin...........just sayin
  
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Reply #54 - Nov 8th, 2011 at 2:58pm
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I'm not sure you'd make it thru customs with a Bear Banger kit Undecided
I'd check before trying.
With the security situation nowadays you don't know for sure what will or won't trigger a alarm.
Anything that has explosive properties for signaling or not, MIGHT set a overzealous border agent into action.
I bet you could use some braided fishing line and that Bear Banger IF legal to rig a tripwire to protect your food source or alert you to one outside your tent.
Like MT says, not all bears will respond the same to loud noises.
I have my personal bear alarm which I rig to protect a food pack on long portage but I see it as more of a warning device than something that will scare a bear away 100% of the time.
It would be great if it did but my go to item is the Bear Spray. Having a early warning so I can get it in hand especially if I'm in the tent is  a big plus in my book.
  
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Reply #55 - Nov 8th, 2011 at 3:51pm
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In Glacier I was so freaked out about the Grizzlies I rigged a trip wire all the way around my tent at night rigged to the motion detector alarm. I just had to remember it was out there in the middle of the night when I went to take a leak. Once a robin flew into the wire and set it off early in the morning (I had a big flock of them around the tent).

Not sure I would take that tack again. It certainly didn't deter my camp bear and who knows it could be counter productive. Maybe he/she would of just smelled around and left.
  
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Reply #56 - Nov 8th, 2011 at 4:40pm
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Pretty sure bangers & spray are restricted items.  Definitely check with customs first.

I'm not too surprised that a car-alarm type noise has less effect than a banger.  Bangers make a percussive sound that's a lot more startling.

From what I've read spray is the most effective option when there's actually a black bear to contend with.

Old Joke:  How do you tell the difference between black bear & grizzly bear poop?
Grizzly bear poop has bells in it and smells of pepper spray.
  
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Reply #57 - Nov 8th, 2011 at 6:58pm
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Yes, I can understand the percussion concept......good point.

Actually spray is quite effective against grizzlies as well. Effective over 90% of the time. The trick, however, is being able to pull it out and fire effectively in a mere matter of seconds. With Grizzlies it is common to find yourself in close proximity suddenly and unexpectedly which can initiate a charge. Very fast critters when they want to be. Another reason that spray might be a better option than a firearm except if the person is an expert marksman. There is just a small box to aim for if you want to put one down with a handgun.

  
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Reply #58 - Nov 8th, 2011 at 9:11pm
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Another reason that spray might be a better option than a firearm except if the person is an expert marksman. There is just a small box to aim for if you want to put one down with a handgun.


I think even a person that's armed with a suitable handgun would be better advised using the Bear Spray first and resorting to the handgun as your last resort.
Killing something as large and powerful as a  Grizzly Bear is much different than stopping one dead in it's tracks once it's full of adrenaline and looking for blood. You might get away with it with a Black Bear unless it was one of those huge Alaskan varieties.
I've read stories of the Inuit hunters killing unsuspecting bears with .22 at close range with a single shot thru eye/ear into brain.
No hunting guide in his right mind would allow a client to attempt that.
Most guided want there clients to be able to hit a bear accurately and do the same with a back-up shot.
It's all about shot placement. Most guides carry guns that far exceed what it actually takes to kill a big bear. Some carry guns that would stop an elephant.
The reason is simple. If the client muffs the shot or panics they might only get 1 shot to stop the charge. You literally want a caliber that will knock a 500lb + animal over backward and allow for follow up shots.
Very few people have the experience and skills necessary to stop a charging Grizzly with a handgun.
A .44 magnum is more than most people can handle and even the venerable 30-30 Winchester has more foot lbs of energy than it does. Not many people would consider a 30-30 adequate protection in big bear country.
I'd spray them first, and resort to the 12 gauge/Magnum handgun if that failed to deter them for long.
The spray might disorientate them long enough for you to get a good shot to the head and maybe a follow up one?
About 2 shots and if the bear isn't down, your in for a world of hurt. Even a dying bear can kill you. That's where that double action that Wally mentioned comes in.
You try and fend their jaws off with you off hand and with the other ( gun hand) jam the muzzle in it's jaws and empty the cylinder.
If you don't see any obvious effect, you might want to save the last round for yourself Cry
  
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Reply #59 - Nov 9th, 2011 at 12:15am
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In judging how much a bear could do after it was shot the only experience I have had is shooting deer.  I have shot several deer where on dressing them out I inspected the heart to find a 12 gauge slug went through the heart.  Every time I got a clean heart shot not hitting any bones other than ribs the deer does not die for a while.  I have had them run over 100 yds. before collapsing. I have had them walk over to a grassy area and lay down as if nothing was wrong.  The maximum time they live is maybe 5 minutes.  If they are running they will last less than 2 minutes. A bear could do a lot of damage in 2 minutes.
  
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