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Reply #10 - Nov 18th, 2011 at 4:43pm
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IC -

Thanks for the tip about hanging the tarp from the ceiling.  I was wondering how to "manage" that much material.

Pat -
Thanks for the link.  Actually, I made a stuff sack (regular nylon) for my cookset several years ago.  That's when my wife suggested I get my own sewing machine.  (She didn't want me anywhere near HER machine when she found I used a stapler to baste-in the round bottom before stitching it up.)

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Reply #11 - Nov 21st, 2011 at 6:21am
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Questions on the solvent thinned silicone application.

After the solvent evaporates and the silicone cures (let's say a week or whatever) does any silicone transfer to your hands while handling the fly?

How about longevity? Does it flake off - show any visual signs of what, de-lamination?

Does the type of thinner make a difference? Anything better than white gas? If so, why?
  
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Reply #12 - Nov 21st, 2011 at 4:01pm
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db wrote on Nov 21st, 2011 at 6:21am:
Does the type of thinner make a difference? Anything better than white gas? If so, why?

While I can't answer questions about long term consequences, I've seen mineral spirits and denatured alcohol listed as solvents for diluting silicone.  Of course, I've seen projects use gasoline for the same purpose, but I don't think I'm going there.

A last question (I hope).  I've read that when sewing a tarp that the stitching should not be too tight, leaving a little give in the seam so the tarp can stretch a little when under a load (e.g., wind).  Any suggestions here?  Would a stitch length of perhaps 1/8th inch be suitable for this purpose?  Longer?  Shorter?

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Reply #13 - Nov 21st, 2011 at 6:19pm
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db wrote on Nov 21st, 2011 at 6:21am:
After the solvent evaporates and the silicone cures (let's say a week or whatever) does any silicone transfer to your hands while handling the fly?

How about longevity? Does it flake off - show any visual signs of what, de-lamination?

Does the type of thinner make a difference? Anything better than white gas? If so, why?


db,

Once the silicone is cured it does not transfer to the hands or stick to itself when the tarp is folded. No signs of delamination or flaking off.

I don't know if there are any long term adverse effects of the solvent, I have not experienced any. I think any solvent that the silicone will dissolve in would work, I just used Coleman fuel because I had it on hand and it evaporates quickly. If I do it again I may try denatured alcohol just to see if it makes any difference.

DentonDoc wrote on Nov 21st, 2011 at 4:01pm:
A last question (I hope).  I've read that when sewing a tarp that the stitching should not be too tight, leaving a little give in the seam so the tarp can stretch a little when under a load (e.g., wind).  Any suggestions here?  Would a stitch length of perhaps 1/8th inch be suitable for this purpose?  Longer?  Shorter?

dd


dd,

My wife said she used a straight stitch, medium length, medium tension. The first one was sewn with cotton coated polyester, but the others were 100% polyester. I have noticed absolutely no difference, but I will go with the 100% poly or nylon in the future. Just seems better for outdoor use, even though it gets the silicone treatment.

These things have been under sustained wind loads and held up with no signs of stress, stretch, rips or tears. I think many tie outs make a difference, spreading the load. I take a lot of 550 cord on my trips to Quetico.

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Reply #14 - Nov 21st, 2011 at 7:14pm
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Pat -

I noticed from your photo that your tarps don't have any tie-outs along the center line (except at the edges).  Any reason for this?  (Nice trick to use shoes as a tensioning device.  Smiley)

The green tarps looks very much like my Campmor tarps; green with white tie-outs.  They have worked VERY well, but the silnylon tarp should cut the weight about in half.

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Reply #15 - Nov 21st, 2011 at 9:47pm
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DentonDoc wrote on Nov 21st, 2011 at 7:14pm:
Pat -

I noticed from your photo that your tarps don't have any tie-outs along the center line (except at the edges).  Any reason for this?  (Nice trick to use shoes as a tensioning device.  Smiley)

The green tarps looks very much like my Campmor tarps; green with white tie-outs.  They have worked VERY well, but the silnylon tarp should cut the weight about in half.

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dd,

I added a loop dead center on the seam on two of the tarps before my trip this year. I would recommend you put one on yours. You can't have too many tie outs and not putting one on initiallly was an oversight.

The winds kept those lines pretty tight and one of my nephews thought that would be a good place to dry his shoes.

That big green tarp in the background belongs to my nephew and is made by Kondos. The tie outs are actually black. The white that you see is a Klemheist knot made of white cordage used to tension the tarp along that red rope used as a ridgeline. We had a lot of different rope and cord along on that trip. I pretty much stick with 550 cord now.

Here is another pic of that tarp:
  
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Reply #16 - Nov 22nd, 2011 at 5:24pm
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Here is that Kondos tarp again supported by a couple of spare paddles held together by the paddle coupler my wife made with some of the silnylon material:

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Reply #17 - Nov 22nd, 2011 at 9:57pm
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rlageman3 wrote on Nov 22nd, 2011 at 5:24pm:
paddle coupler

I'm not a fan of poles ... but that's ingenious! Worth a patent application I wonder?
  
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Reply #18 - Nov 22nd, 2011 at 10:35pm
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db wrote on Nov 22nd, 2011 at 9:57pm:

I'm not a fan of poles ... but that's ingenious! Worth a patent application I wonder?

db,

I can't take credit for any of the ideas used to make the tarps or the paddle coupler. All of the ideas came from perusing backpacking and canoeing websites. This is the link to the site where I got the idea for the paddle coupler:

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Reply #19 - Nov 28th, 2011 at 2:42pm
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db wrote on Nov 22nd, 2011 at 9:57pm:
rlageman3 wrote on Nov 22nd, 2011 at 5:24pm:
paddle coupler

I'm not a fan of poles ... but that's ingenious! Worth a patent application I wonder?

Agreed, that's very clever.
  
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