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Walleye Fishing Lesson
Jan 24th, 2012 at 6:10pm
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I have been fishing almost my entire life and consider myself skilled in the art. Bass, Pike, Lake Trout I have no problem with, but for whatever reason I am TERRIBLE at walleye fishing. I have Lindy rigs, crank baits, jigs, slip bobbers, everything that is required.

Fishing is my main point of going to the Q and I wuold really like to improve my skills with this fish since it is so very tasty...and the fact that they elude me.

Some pointers on speed for trolling, lindy rigging, and jigging would be great. Water depth would also be helpful. Although I think I know most of those things.... Maybe it is the color, size, or style of the bait? I usually use Gulp Alive leaches on the lindy.

What am I doing wrong?

Basically I am humbly asking for help. Embarrassed
  
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Reply #1 - Jan 24th, 2012 at 8:38pm
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I was in your same shoes about 20 years ago Drewfus.  Here's what I've learned and what has proven successful for walleye fishing from a canoe (in no particular order).  By no means is this an exhaustive list - more of a thumbnail sketch.

I find a lindy rig a poor presentation in canadian shield lakes.  Too much "stuff" down there to get hung up on.  Couple that with less boat control (than with a motor) and you will have a hard time finding fish.  Ditto with fishing under a bobber.

Get a depthfinder that will mark the bottom contours and structure of the lake.  Walleye tend to hang out on dramatic elevation changes, particularly mid-lake humps and drop-offs.

Learn to jig fish.  It just takes practice to learn to feel the difference b/t a rock and a fish.  Jig fishing gives you the most control of depth, speed and style of presentation.  You need to feel the bottom.

When I'm moving I troll a crank bait or stick bait that will hit at least 12'.  I prefer 16-20 however.  Color?  Meh.  Perch, silver, orange?  YMMV.  As with a jig, I like to feel the bottom when trolling.
  
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Re: Walleye Fishing Lesson
Reply #2 - Jan 24th, 2012 at 9:06pm
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2 truths you must master....

1)  95% of the lake is fishless, so find that 5% (see PJ post above).
2)  fish when the fish are there and feeding.


When a good looking area doesn't pan out, most likely tehy are not there /and/or feeding.  Fish it again in an hour or two,  These truths were taught to me by my friend TR.  If the spot looks good, just wait, they will come.
  
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Re: Walleye Fishing Lesson
Reply #3 - Jan 25th, 2012 at 2:57am
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As a man believes in his heart.......so is he

Change that self talk for starters.......if you think you suck at walleye fishing......well you probably will. It goes like this......"Hmmm, not getting a bite, yup, I stink at walleye fishin, might as well fish for something else" and then you quit after only a little effort.

PJ and wally have given great advice.

What time of year do you typically go? Late July and August can be tough without some live bait or a 20 horse motor (speed trolling  Wink ). If you have the patience jigging is tops. Find a point and keep drifting while maintaining contact with the bottom. Careful not to oversize your line. Heavy line equals fewer bites. Keep your forefinger on the line to help in feeling that "tick" when one snaps up your bait. Be sure to "snap" back. Jigs needn't be big or heavy unless the drift is fast.

I prefer trolling. Get a depth finder and like PJ says get a lure that runs at least 15 ft. Keep it within 3 ft of the bottom. A rod holder helps immensely in this style of fishing. June and early July I expect to catch several Walleye each day just by traveling to my next campsite. Piece of cake........well, most of the time Grin.

  
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Reply #4 - Jan 25th, 2012 at 5:57am
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All of the above is great advice and I only want to emphasize that to be consistently successful walleye fishing you need to be in contact with the bottom whether its in 10 feet or 30 feet. Keep whatever lure you are using within 3 feet of the bottom and make sure that you can easily touch the bottom with your lure at all times by just dropping your rod down when jigging or back when trolling.
Most beginners are very reluctant to do this because they are afraid of snags and losing lures. It does happen but there are some tricks to preventing snags and losing lures.
That's a topic for another post!
  
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Reply #5 - Jan 25th, 2012 at 3:02pm
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I agree with all of above posts. I always use a depth finder to locate structure. I also troll, using a rod holder, using deep diving crankbaits, usually Rapalas or Reef Runners. I have also used large, heavy swimbaits, and they work great. When I find fish, I will stop and switch to a jig with gulp or powerbait, casting toward the structure that holds fish. Vary the retrieve, popping the jig up, and keeping a tight line on the drop. It is usually the drop that will trigger the bite. I also, sometimes allow the bait to sit on the bottom for 20-30 seconds, remaining motionless, which often triggers a strike, if the fish are not aggressive.

I also don't take or use Lindy Rigs, since I don't take live bait. I use three jig sizes, 1/8, 1/4, and 3/8 oz. I choose the size according to the depth and wind. You want the lightest one that will get to the bottom and give you control of the jig. This post doubles as my tip of the month. Cheesy
  
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Reply #6 - Jan 25th, 2012 at 3:16pm
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Checkout my Neversnag post.
They have a wire spring weed-guard that you rig ahead of stick baits to keep the lip from wedging into rocks.

Might be just the ticket to keep from losing those increasingly costly stick baits.
  
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Reply #7 - Jan 25th, 2012 at 4:43pm
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mastertangler wrote on Jan 25th, 2012 at 2:57am:
As a man believes in his heart.......so is he

Change that self talk for starters.......if you think you suck at walleye fishing......well you probably will. It goes like this......"Hmmm, not getting a bite, yup, I stink at walleye fishin, might as well fish for something else" and then you quit after only a little effort.


MT, I don't think that way when I'm fishing. You need to know that I am a fishing addict., so when I'm out there fishing for em, I just keep pounding away and usually hooking up with smallies Tongue My point is, I just don't catch waldos and I feel I'm doing something wrong. That said, I'll try the point tip you gave. BTW I am usually in the park end of august / beginning of sept. I know it isn't the ideal time of year, but fish always need to eat  Tongue-Thanks!

After what PJ had to say I will try that out. Also, I do have a depth finder that I will have to run more (I usually use it for finding Lakers)
- Thank you

Wally, I already put most of that into practice, but the bit about trying the same spot again a few hours later is something I'll put to work. -Thanks-


KF, I will become one with bottom Smiley Not afraid of snags etc. and I've got a few tricks up my sleeve (or in my box) for retrieving stuck objects. -Thanks!


OS, Thanks for listing the jig sizes you use

ST, I've never heard of these but will look them up. I'm a fan of removing the front set of treble hooks on diving baits to help avoid snags


Thank you all for the input. Now I've got 7 months or so to put all this information into action and catch a mess of waldos.  Grin
  
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Re: Walleye Fishing Lesson
Reply #8 - Jan 25th, 2012 at 5:17pm
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We typically trip in May or June but our last 2 trips have been in August and there was a slight adjustment we had to make with finding walleye.  As the water warms, walleye will move deeper (20-30') off the same structure during the day and can be relatively inactive.  As the sun sets they will start to move shallower for food and your best fishing will come during these later day hours.  Walleye and bass will share the same habitat so if your on bass, you are probably on walleye as well; the bass are just more aggressive.  I really believe that mid-lake structure is the best structure because they have immediate access to deep and shallow water and with the wind pounding those mid lake humps and reefs all day, the baitfish are plentiful.  Rarely do I go heavier than 1/8oz jig usually tipped with 4" Gulp shad or cisco.  We have had inconsistent success with the Gulp leech.  IMO it has poor action in the water.

Lastly, I'm a bit cynical with trip reports and stories that give an impression that "walleye were everywhere."  They're not.  While they are plentiful I consider a successful walleye day with 4-5 fish.  Like you, fishing is our priority and we spend no less than 12 hours in the boat per day weather/wind permitting and in 20 years of Quetico camping, I can count on one hand the days when catching walleye was ridiculous.  Those days were just good luck and right place / right time.  But, if you see a storm brewing - get in your boat and get to a shoreline that will receive the wind and soak a minnow.   Wink
  
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Re: Walleye Fishing Lesson
Reply #9 - Jan 25th, 2012 at 7:01pm
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Thanks PJ. I heard before that the waldos move deeper later in the summer. I'll have to spend more time fishing the twighlight hours. Good to know about the big storm thing, did NOT know that. I'll have to fish more with the Gulp minnows and see how that works.

Thanks again
  
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