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Mt's tip of the month/feb 2012
Feb 3rd, 2012 at 12:17pm
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Depth finders......or not!

Much has been bandied about lately concerning depth finders.......no question about they can be a great asset. But they are not "the be all, end all". Quite a few folk enter canoe country without one. If that is you and you still want to catch a few fish for dinner or a diversion........well fear not!

Use your noogin as Marlin used to say.......(I talked with him yesterday......he seems to be doing fine.......not sure why he quit us)

A few things to bear in mind.......first and most important, fish are going to gravitate to where they are most comfortable. If you can find an old recliner that someone has sunk........Think food first! Fish want to eat and they don't want to travel real far to do it. Soooo where are the groceries? I like diverse habitats......Mud and sand bottoms, weed growth, gravelly fist sized rocks etc all hold life forms that fish can eat.

Avoid the smooth rock that is so very common in the shield lakes. Even a crawdad would have a tough time making a living there. For the most part you can also avoid the steep plunging dropoffs (although I have caught a few fish on them).

But you don't have a depthfinder.........how do you find such spots? Use your eyes and use your God given intelligence. I always look at the topography of the shoreline to ascertain clues as to what may lie beneath the waters. Is there a steep ridge on that west shoreline? Chances are it continues on down into the depths. That long rocky rubbly point is probably quite similar out into the water.

See where the point goes out and then a bit later up pops an island and then perhaps another? It is likely it is all part of the same point system. You get the idea.......pretty simple actually.

Wind and currents can also impact bait and fish in a big way. Below a falls is a fish magnet.......no depth finder required. That windy shoreline where bugs and baitfish have congregated is also a fish magnet. How about a slot between islands where the wind has been blowing........One thing to keep in mind about wind generated bites......the longer the wind has been blowing onto a shoreline the more likely the food chain is in high gear. After that all day blow wait until it calms a bit and slide toward the snotty side not that peaceful calm cove (Be SAFE!!).

What about lures? Topwaters can drag fish up from quite a distance and often they can be nice ones that fall for them. I like trolling and it can still be down without a depthfinder. A rod holder is helpful as the information the lure sends when it hits weeds or rocks is much easier to interpret. On a diving lure I advise taking off the front treble and replacing the rear with the next size larger. You are apt not to have so many hang ups that way.......don't worry, you will still catch plenty of fish and taking the hook out is much safer and easier.

There is still more to be said and I invite comment and further suggestion. But don't let the lack of a depth finder discourage you from fishing. Use you senses and a bit of contemplating and you to can catch plenty of fish with the least amount of gear.
  
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Reply #1 - Feb 3rd, 2012 at 2:32pm
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Sure, you can (and will) catch fish w/o electronics.

My great-grandparents were also able to have conversation w/o a telephone.

Get a depth finder and enhance your fishing experience.

Snow_Dog wrote on Jan 29th, 2012 at 2:34am:
1.  Depthfinder.  With it, you're fishin.  Without, you're just wishin.

  
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Reply #2 - Feb 3rd, 2012 at 2:49pm
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Agreed, you can definitely catch fish without a depthfinder, but it's a heck of a lot easier with one.  What it mostly does is allow you to stay in the productive fishing zone for whatever you are targeting for a MUCH higher percentage of the time.  Also eliminates a lot of snags which maximizes fishing time and minimizes frustration.  It also allows you to find those highly productive spots like small fingers and slots around the edges of reefs that often attract and hold the most fish. 

Plus it's just plain fun to see what's down there.  MT is right that shorelines often give good clues to what you'll find underwater but quite often the shoreline tells baldface lies.  There are many areas where the shoreline looks like it gently slopes into deeper water but there is actually an underwater cliff just offshore. Or the opposite, where the shoreline is a cliff, but the base of the cliff is a mere 10' underwater.  You'll find underwater reef systems and sunken islands that never break the surface at all and are thus VERY lightly fished, often holding some of the biggest fish of your trip.

What it comes down to is this:  If successful fishing is a big factor in your enjoyment of a trip, it's the most useful piece of equipment you can bring save for your rod, reel, and a few lures.  And it pays to work on your setup so it's easy to store and deploy it before and after portages.  If it's a PITA to set it up and put it away, you're less likely to use it on travel days.
  
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Reply #3 - Feb 3rd, 2012 at 2:55pm
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Not to be overlooked is the advice on fishing shorelines that have been wind-pounded.  The longer they've been hit by the wind, the better.  Trolling parallel to the shoreline at various depths is a great strategy if it's not too dangerous to be broadside to the wind.  If it is, then you can stern anchor out a bit deeper  and cast into shore.  Once you've exhausted an anchor point, move a further down the shoreline and repeat.  On super-windy days, just walk the shoreline with your rod and a heavy lure and cast into the wind.  If you can get out on a point and cast parallel to the wind, even better.  Quite a few of my biggest walleye have come off these windy shores.
  
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Reply #4 - Feb 4th, 2012 at 4:56am
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Tis true the depth finder is a handy, fun and extremely effective tool. I have to be little careful or else I will spend my canoe trip staring at a little electronic screen for hours on end while I follow a contour line instead of the real reason I am out there Grin

PJ and SD have made an excellent case for serious consideration for electronics..............
But this tip is not for the serious fisherman......fisherwoman? How about fisherperson!! This tip is for the person who may be considering doing a little bit of fishing and is certainly not interested in bringing even a lightweight depth finder. I am here to encourage those types of people that fish can still be caught relatively well without electronic support. Set your camp up and go out for the evening paddle/photo session..............put your rod in a rod holder and throw back a lure while your at it..........who knows?
  
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Reply #5 - Feb 6th, 2012 at 4:29pm
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I love to read all these great tips for the QJ people who have real world experience behind them.

Not even close in the fishing skills dept, but one thing I do know as a casual fisherman, if you don't have a lure in the water, your not catching fish Grin

Unless weather conditions preclude it, you should be trolling a lure on your travel days.
You can rig them so they're virtually snag free and who knows what you might catch?

I'd rather arrive in camp after a hard day with my fish dinner in hand than set camp and head out, hoping you hit that narrow window of opportunity.
  
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Reply #6 - Feb 6th, 2012 at 5:42pm
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i for one have never used a depth finder on my trips. ive been seriously considering getting one of the smaller units with a display screen for my canoe though. ive been pretty lucky in finding great fish producing spots through the years based off everything MT listed. i can read the shorelines really well and trolling a deep lure tells you a lot also. if my budget allows i might get a depth finder for this years trip.

another really good thing to use, cheaper and more easily used than a depth finder is a pair of polarized fishing glasses. i have a cheap pair from walmart ($5) that work great! it cuts the glare off the water and you can see those submerged reefs pretty well on a sunny day. id say glasses are the 3rd most important thing in fishing. (#1 rod, # lure, #3 glasses)
  
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Reply #7 - Feb 6th, 2012 at 10:23pm
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While one can certainly use their eyes, and make assumptions on bottom contour from surrounding topography, if one uses a depth finder, one will find that often, such assumptions are false.

I fished for many years without a fish finder, and usually caught fish. Now that I've used a finder, I would never go back. I catch more, and better quality fish, by using my brains in conjunction with the artificial intel.

I also used to use live bait, but that's another thread...
  
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Reply #8 - Feb 6th, 2012 at 10:37pm
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As has been pointed out, you can certainly catch fish without a depth finder.  But say you want to fish 20 to 30 feet of water as you troll.  If you are too shallow, your lure will hit bottom and you know it is less than 20 feet.  But if the water drops off to 60 feet, I want to know that I am now in water much deeper than I intended to fish.  Plus sometimes it is cool to know the water is 200 feet deep.

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Reply #9 - Feb 15th, 2012 at 1:30am
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ugh. darn you MT. now you gave me the itch to get new gear. ive got my eye on the lowrance x4 as my next purchase. i brought the canoe down to the basement yesterday and started tinkering around with that. its mid february and im already barely able to handle not being able to fish everyday.
  
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jaximus wrote on Feb 15th, 2012 at 1:30am:
ugh. darn you MT. now you gave me the itch to get new gear. ive got my eye on the lowrance x4 as my next purchase. i brought the canoe down to the basement yesterday and started tinkering around with that. its mid february and im already barely able to handle not being able to fish everyday.


Yes I am looking at the same one.........but truth be known I think KF has the best overall advice.......a simple depth finder for around $100.......simple, rugged, reliable, lightweight and small........
  
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Reply #11 - Feb 16th, 2012 at 12:13am
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i was at fleet farm playing around with some of the ones they have there. the lowrance x4 is the same as the eagle cuda 300. same buttons, everything. just different color/name on them. i read a ton of reviews on the x4 and x4 pro. seems like the x4 is better than the pro version, but i havent gotten around to looking into eagle cuda 300 reviews. i like the idea of the silicone puck and keeping everything internal, although knowing the water temp wouldnt hurt.
  
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To Snow Dog and Kingfisher -- the best web info providers I've found: Thanks for your contributions.  Do you have some tips for solo canoe fishermen?  How about some rod holder designs?  I'm on a May 31 outfitted  :dankk2entry at Stanton and we only have 3 in the party.  I've been practicing with a kayak paddle, but seem to be wet all the time.
  
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I've been practicing with a kayak paddle, but seem to be wet all the time.


If you don't have them, you need to invest in a pair of drip rings. Different styles/materials but they basically keep the water from running down the paddle shaft into your canoe.

If you Google kayak strokes, you'll find what I believe they refer to as a touring stroke?
You basically keep the paddle parallel to the water, different than that high windmill stroke you see them use for racing. A little practice and you can really fly, especially into headwind. You know your doing it right when your moving along but hardly feel like your working hard, if that makes any sense to you.
That stroke will also limit the water from running into your canoe.

Check you paddle length. Most solos are wider than kayaks. If you have to "windmill" to avoid banging the gunnel's every stroke, then you need a longer paddle.
  
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partschaser09 wrote on May 1st, 2012 at 6:41pm:
To Snow Dog and Kingfisher -- the best web info providers I've found: Thanks for your contributions.  Do you have some tips for solo canoe fishermen?  How about some rod holder designs?  I'm on a May 31 outfitted  :dankk2entry at Stanton and we only have 3 in the party.  I've been practicing with a kayak paddle, but seem to be wet all the time.

I can (or cannot depending on your point of view I guess) help you with both problems.
Rod holders: I don't use one when tandem, just wedge the rod across my legs. When solo I brace the rod against the portage yoke and sometimes use my legs. It works for me and eliminates one more piece of gear. Fishing is never my priority when solo tripping.

Double blades: I don't use them and find them especially cumbersome when trying to fish from a solo. I use a single blade and switch sides alot and yes there is still some getting wet but it's not me getting wet it is the pack in the front of the canoe.
  
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partschaser09 wrote on May 1st, 2012 at 6:41pm:
To Snow Dog and Kingfisher -- the best web info providers I've found: Thanks for your contributions.  Do you have some tips for solo canoe fishermen?


I'm assuming you're talking just general fishing advice for solo canoeists here.

I do recommend a portable depthfinder.  You'll probably find that you do quite a bit more trolling than tandem canoeists as that's the easiest way to fish from a solo when it's windy (short of finding a wind-protected spot to cast, which may or may not be where the active fish are).  Depthfinders will keep you from snagging up as much, which can be a major PITA in a solo canoe in the wind.

I also recommend a rod holder (see below).  It allows you have more freedom of movement in the canoe to keep yourself comfortable and stable.  It also keeps the rod well out of your paddling radius by moving it forward and upwards if you attach the holder to the gunwale.  Plus it's easier.  One less thing to worry about.  Your rod is in your line of sight but not in your way.

Casting works well if you can set up a proper drift (in the wind) or if it's calm enough to allow you to stay relatively stationary.

Anchoring does NOT work well in the wind, which is where you'd most likely be tempted to deploy it.  Tying it off amidships where you can reach is dangerous, and attempting to move back to the stern to tie it off is to invite a quick dunking.  Your body needs to stay in the wide part of the boat.  The narrower the canoe is where your body weight lies and the higher off the water your body weight is, the easier to flip, and the ratio of tippiness increases exponetially, not arithmetically, as you move up and/or to a narrower part of the canoe.

Landing a fish is also tricky.  The bigger the fish, the trickier the task becomes.  A fish grabber or a net of some sort helps a lot.  I prefer fish grippers as they allow for faster releases.  Bring the fish into the canoe with you, especially if it's large as leaning over the side isn't a good idea.  Get the fish's weight in the middle of the canoe and keep your own weight there.  I've landed fish in the mid-teens solo with no problem this way.

Barbless is a help when solo, not a hindrance.  Faster releases.  You'll catch plenty so if a few shake off at the boat, no biggie.

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How about some rod holder designs?


I like this one:

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It's easy to get the rod in and out of the holder and the top part can be inverted easily and screwed back down for portages.  But plenty of designs work.  I use a small piece of spider mat to cushion my hull where the clamp cinches down on it.  Once my rodholder is clamped on, it doesn't get removed until the trip is over.

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I'm on a May 31 outfitted  :dankk2entry at Stanton and we only have 3 in the party.  I've been practicing with a kayak paddle, but seem to be wet all the time.


I'm a single-blade guy, so I can't help here if you are determined to double-blade.  I think when fishing, a single blade is best anyway but maybe that's just me.  But ya, I'd suspect drip rings would help you out a lot when double-blading.

Hope this helps, or if you are looking for more specific tips, fire away.  Smiley
  
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The rod holder recommended by Snow Dog works great and is worth the cost.  I think a rod holder is great because it keeps your rod out of your way when you are paddling.  Plus, you don't have to worry about your rod going over the side of the canoe when you snag a very big rock.
  
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Reply #17 - May 4th, 2012 at 10:23am
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Partschaser......interesting handle. I bet you have some stories.

The holder that SD suggests is indeed a good one. Very lightweight. I have one but replaced it with one I like a smidgen better. My old one is collecting dust in my shop........your welcome to it. All I need is a place to send it to, compliments of QJ.

PM an address........if you follow SD's suggestions you will be hard pressed to go amiss.

My advice? Don't be like me where your so focused on watching your depth finder and your rod that you fail to notice where your at. Wink
  
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Reply #18 - May 4th, 2012 at 3:13pm
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the locator i got and set up works great. the velcro holds stong and doesnt wobble/make noise. our trip is officially scheduled for june 14th so im pumped. as for anchors, we use some nylony canvas type bags that are meant for sandbags for the legs of party tents. i found them super cheap. we use them for filling with rocks for anchors, and also for sinking laker fillets to marinade in lemon juice.
  
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Reply #19 - May 29th, 2012 at 8:58pm
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jaximus wrote on May 4th, 2012 at 3:13pm:
as for anchors, we use some nylony canvas type bags that are meant for sandbags for the legs of party tents. i found them super cheap. we use them for filling with rocks for anchors, and also for sinking laker fillets to marinade in lemon juice.


I usually use nylon mesh bags that they sell for carrying beach towels or swimming suits. The sandbag idea it genius and I will be stealing it.
  
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