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Feb 27th, 2013 at 10:26pm
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Wherever turns your crank. That's basically the order by which I heard these places exist and I forget where Algonquin ... Adirondacks ... may fit in but why do YOU choose one over the other and/or someplace else?

For me, I went to Quetico twice for college credit and continued going for over a decade before I even knew the BWCA existed and I only wish I lived a bit closer because it's become like visiting an old friend for me. Martin, for example, seems on a mission in WCPP and I understand that but I wonder what put him on that path?

What about you? Where have you been? Where do you go? What put you on that path?
  
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Reply #1 - Feb 27th, 2013 at 11:19pm
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A ski club had some openings on a BWCA trip and I joined in.  I liked it but wanted more remote area and so the next trip was a group of 4 and into Quetico.  I was hooked.  I have been to WCPP and Wavakimi but prefer Quetico.  That is not to say I would not go back to either of the other two Canadian parks.  If the Canadians decide they don’t want me I would go to BWCA.
  
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Reply #2 - Feb 28th, 2013 at 12:33am
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My initial exposure to canoeing was via my backpacking buddy (and now paddling companion).  He invited me to make a trip to Quetico.  After several years of invitations (mostly during time windows when I could not go), he made a solo trip and fell in love.  A couple of years later, schedules finally meshed and I made my first Quetico trip.  I've only missed 1 year of making a north country canoe trip since then, and it was the year following my introduction.

For me, I guess it probably more an issue of scenery and exploring new places that keep me going back.  Of course, I've covered some of the same water on more than one trip, but there is always some new water to paddle thrown into the route.

In 2009, Jimbo, Kingfisher, Magicpaddler and Quentin were scheduled to go explore WCPP for the first time.  I casually asked Jimbo if he would mind giving me a recon report when he returned.  One thing led to another and he extended an invitation to go along.  While it was going to be a quick turn-around (just a little over a week after I would finish a 2-weeker in Quetico), I took the plunge.  Since then, I've only missed one year going back to WCPP ... and I'll return this year.  WCPP is yet another place to explore.  It doesn't top Quetico for scenery, but it does give you more of a "wilderness" impression.  (There is nothing like finding a campsite with several years of growth in the fire ring.)

So, the adventure continues ... new places, new experiences!

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Reply #3 - Feb 28th, 2013 at 6:39am
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I cut my teeth canoeing in Algonquin - it's only a four hour drive from Toronto, where I lived at the time, and pretty much a "standard" destination. I have no idea how I got started canoeing - invited by a buddy probably?

Canoeing took a back seat to backpacking when I moved out west, but Quetico was "on the way" for road trips to visit family in T.O., and one year I decided to rent a canoe and  take a couple of days break from driving. Now it's a destination rather than a stopover, and most years I've been able to fit a Q trip in.

Other recent trips have included WCPP, Nopiming (Manitoba), and Bowron Lakes (BC). This year I hope to make it to Atikaki (MB) and McLellan lakes (northern Saskatchewan). Plus Quetico of course - that's still #1 for me.

Why do I choose one place over another?

Well first I have to find out about them. Quetico got a writeup in Outside mag one year ("world's best canoeing destination"), WCPP I learned about on QJ, Bowron was a third-hand recommendation, McLellan is used by U of Calgary for one of their annual trips, and CCR is always a good source of ideas and trip reports.

Beyond that, anyplace that's wilderness (the less-used the better), new to me (new route if not new park), and closer than Quetico is enough of an excuse to put on the list.
  
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Reply #4 - Feb 28th, 2013 at 1:05pm
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I waited way too long to dedicate time for a real vacation thinking I would get rich first then vacation to the end. Oh well, plan B. At 45 a lifelong buddy and I decided to fulfill plans we talked about back in the day. We did the outfitters loop from Mudro-Crooked-Friday Bay-Mudro. At Big Current a sow and cub ate all of our food, we were hooked. Did a fly-in to LLC the next year thinking we would leave the crowds behind, ha. Just kept staring over the invisible border, man it looked wild over there. I have gone to Quetico 13 years in a row and plan on at least that many more. I would love to go to those other places if plan A pans out soon. With only 2 weeks I don't want to drive any farther or go through the learning process. Quetico has everything I yearn for and I will never see it all. Turns my crank nicely.
  
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Reply #5 - Feb 28th, 2013 at 1:35pm
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nowadays, its so easy to find new places, but before the internet became such a useful tool, it was only by reading about a place, that I would want to go there

seems like I've always canoed - more than 45 years.  but for the first 15 or so years, just did local rivers and lakes, never a wilderness camping trip or even an overnighter, even though the canoes were parked on what would become the start of the NFCT. 

Saw a full page add in Playboy, for Camel Cigarettes (no, I don't smoke) which had a picture of a canoe flying thru the whitewater of Chase Rapids on the Allagash, adn described the adventur to be had there; I think they were promoting trips ther with an outfitter - that pretty much mcuh gave me the bug to do that trip, though it would be several years later (I still have that page, torn out, and in the photo album ffrom the Allagash trip).

lived in the BIG D for a few years, then decided to move to Colorado, and took time off then to do the Allagash with my Dad, in 82 when the timing was right. 

Somewhere in there, I read an article in Outdoor Life or Field and Stream about a wilderness canoe fishing trip in Ontario - Quetico, and it became a goal to get up there someday - so did the first Quetico trip in 84.

the first half dozen or so trips began at Moose Lake in BWCA, but I never could find a BWCA route that really appealded to me, on top of the campsite issue and more people.  But the B-dub is still on the "someday" list.

Why Quetico and not WCPP or Algonquin, or Bowron Lakes for that matter, is more a matter of logistics - all of those destinations would eat up at least two more days of vacation, or "cost" me two days of paddling, at least - so "someday".  I guess a big part of the deal is that I love Quetico, probably because it fits my style/type of trip I want to do, and until I get tired of it or it becomes a money issue, I'll keep going there.

"someday" is getting closer all the time, and in a couple/few years, I'll likely do a trip in the Adirondaks, and maybe Algonquin - for sure Bowron Lakes and the Yukon R are planned, maybe in '14 or '15 and maybe do the Allagash again - but I don't see myself "abandoning" Quetico for just another pretty face.  In the meantime, there are the local river trips, several overnighters a year in Colorado and Utah that are a lot of fun - wild, but nor real wilderness.

  
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Reply #6 - Feb 28th, 2013 at 9:49pm
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I am sad to say I didn't even know Quetico existed until my 34th year.  I re-tell the story of how I discovered Quetico in the QJ Stories section (see: (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links) , especially beginning p. 2).  Before that it was the Allagash Waterway in Maine and many different rivers in Virginia & the Carolinas. Since discovering Quetico in 1988 I've done close to 30 trips there; a couple of those were done via the BWCA... a park which I really do not know well. 

A few years back, Kingfisher, dentondoc, Magicpaddler, Quentin, a few others, and I tackled Woodland Caribou Park for the first time (see: (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links) ).  KF & I went back to WCPP to attempt something a bit more audacious the following year (see: (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links) ).  I guess we were seeking some variety and, perhaps even more solitude.  DD's comment re: saplings & even full-sized trees growing right through the center of fire rings is right on the money.  Up there you have a danged good chance of putting your boots where very few have ever tread before.  My thanks to Marten for his stories re: that special place.  His stories & prouboy's got me started there and I do hope to return.

I get a kick out of "new" water & almost always try to work some in during a trip. 

It'll be a couple Q trips for me this year but I am seriously considering an Opasquia trip for 2014, mostly in search of new stuff, I guess.  It should take solitude to a whole new level.  I think the visitor ratio of these parks is something like this: Quetico: WCPP: Opasquia = 600,000: 600: 6.

Maybe someday I'll make like Jim J. Solo & head for Arctic watersheds (at least before my back finally gives out for good; alas, I fear that time rapidly approaches!).  My interests seems to be drifting in that direction.

I don't really favor one park over another.  Any of these parks can be a wonderful place for me with the right companions.

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Reply #7 - Mar 1st, 2013 at 12:12am
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I was always drawn to the fisher maps my dad had in his workshop from the fifties. He never took me paddling, but gave me plenty of other outdoor xperiances... mostly hunting. In my early twenties I got a bug up my butt and in my usuall go all out way, I bought canoes, tents,packs and "all the stuff I'd need" to outfit groups of eight. I think back then you could bring in ten people. So I spent the better part of the next three years doing five to eight day trips bringing in mostly church groups... I had an in with a camp director. Then I got bored bringing in groups so I started going up to what is now Atikaki in Manitoba... Just me and my dog. I still outfitted groups until I met the gal I eventually married and felt I had to get a rea job. I still took groups up for years... Smaller groups. Until my divorce and I then spent almost twenty years working the soft water months building fireplaces and chimneys. Then I got reintroduced back to the B Dub and I was hooked again. Soon after my son told me about Woodland Caribou... I researched it and read Marten's, Jimbo's and others accounts and I was going. My son and I had an awesome magical time and I've been there twice since... The latest was a twenty six day trip. I've been doing plenty of the B Dub too and did a forty day trip there this fall. I'm going to work a lot this year but plan to go back up to WCPP this fall. The funny thing is I've never spent any time in Quetico... I think I'll give er a shot next year. One of my favorite things besides my solo's is the group solo's with the awesome people I've met along the way.
  
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Reply #8 - Mar 1st, 2013 at 3:08am
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Got my first look at the BWCA/Quetico area back in 1979. My father in law let me join his group of buddies from Crawfordsville, IN for their annual week long trip in June to Don Beland's on Moose Lake.

We stayed in a lake side cabin. We rented a boat and fished for walleye, pike and smallies on Moose and Basswood lakes.  Had a super time. Couldn't wait to eat a walleye shorelunch.

I was raised near the shoreline in Connecticut. I spent a lot of my youth fishing for bluefish, shark, striped bass, and flounder. I loved pulling up lobsters from my brothers lobster pots and digging for clams .. .and camping out on the surrounding island beaches.

Well, I really took to freshwater fishing in the Northwoods. Sure the fish were smaller but with light action rods, I was hooked. The scenery was unbelievable and I couldn't get enough of it.

I just had to get away from the crowds so I started to rent a canoe and fish on the Canadian side of Basswood. Then I had to get away even farther into Quetico and eventually began to basecamp in the Kawnipi area.  I now frequent the Brent/Comnee area. Whew, nothing better than fishing and camping for 10 days in the Q.

34 years later I still go up to Quetico. I have only missed 2 trips due to family weddings. It is certainly a "piece of heaven."

Have come into the Q via PP, Saganagons, LLC and fly-ins from Clay Lake. This year a QJ'er has steered me over to come in from the north with a BeaverHouse entry. Planning for my 1st fall trip into Badwater/Bentpine area. Can't wait.

Hopefully when I retire in 7 years I will have more time to spend canoeing and fishing. I would like to take 3 to 4 week trips into the Q instead of my normal 10 days. I would also like to try WCPP and perhaps a Arctic river trip. Also on my bucket list is an Alaskan coast kayak trip and if my knees are not gone ... hiking the entire 2,200 mile Appalachian Trail.

I appreciate all the QJ'ers who regularly contribute their thoughts and recommendations in this forum. The info I have gathered on this site has made me a better fisherman, canoeist and camper.
  
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I got my start when I was 16. My Sunday School teacher invited me and some other boys my age to go with him to a place I had never heard of, Quetico. We had several planning meetings where he attempted to get us 'up to speed' on what we needed to bring and how to prepare. One of the meetings was to work out menu. He asked us to write down what we liked to eat & drink, and we discussed it. This was back before the advent of lightweight gear and sugar-free drinks. We had canvas tents, heavy sleeping bags, etc. We brought it all. The funniest part, was he completely ignored our menu choices, including the kool-aid. Beverages were coffee or water. That is where I learned to drink coffee. The coffee was cajun coffee. I think the stir stick stood upright.

On the trip, we flew in to Cabin 16, (on Basswood) to clear customs, and then on to LLC to the old ranger station north of Warrior Hill. We paddled to Black Robe, and then to Minn. It rained every day, and nothing, including our sleeping bags stayed dry. But we caught fish. Some huge northerns, bass, and waldos. Our raingear was cheap plastic ponchos. We did not have a cooking tarp, or any stove, so all of our cooking was over open fire. My job for dinner, was to stand over the fire with my poncho extended to try to keep the rain off the fire. One evening, one of my buds had finished peeling the spuds, and without warning, dumped the wet peelings in our fire, immediately extinguishing it. I had a sudden urge to kill...but resisted.

Why do I come back? Did I mention the fishing? I figured if I could survive that trip, I could survive any trip. Did I mention the fishing? Wink
  
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