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Re: haven't had a good bear thread in weeks - so....
Reply #30 - May 30th, 2013 at 1:20pm
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My plan is to buy two canisters, and use the chest holsters. Since we're likely to not use them, I plan on donating them to the park when we leave. They give them out to trail crews and the like.


You might want to keep them and mail back home for use in BW/Q ?
With more and more people using the park, at least the BW, and the black bear population on the rise, it might come in handy someday.


Real bear spray is formulated much stronger that military grade pepper spray made for use on us weak little humans.
When you go to Canada and have pepper spray with you, it better be labeled for Bear/Animal defense ONLY, not personal defense.
Check out the different chemical formulations on the sites that sell bear spray and you can see there not all the same.
I mentioned UDAP, because that product is used by US forest crews/rangers, so you know it's good.

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I'm not particularly worried about the bears, although the fact that Mrs. ML is a faster runner than me gives me pause to reflect  Shocked  Grin


Hoepfully you can overcome that handicap by being a faster tree climber Grin
  
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Re: haven't had a good bear thread in weeks - so....
Reply #31 - May 30th, 2013 at 4:26pm
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MuleLars wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 1:05pm:
We'll probably go out to the Ptarmagin Tunnel one day;


Good hike but lots of elevation change. I went up and over from Elizabeth lake and it was a big day. But you will be fairly light. I remember limited water supply on the ptarmigan trail.......I use a 70 oz camel back when I hike tucked into a pocket on my pack. Need to drink lots and lots in the high country. Don't forget good sunglasses and sunscreen.........might be a few flies around. I liked having my "genie" bug pants on which kept me from getting eaten up. Geez, I'm getting pumped just thinking about it. I also suggest some sticks. Most western hikers will have 2 trekking poles. Pretty handy for taking some strain off your knees on the way down. I can't imagine hiking without either a single hiking staff or a pair of trekking poles. My single hiking staff that I used to go around Mt Rainier also served well as a monopod for my camera....just had to unscrew the top knob and plop the camera on...handy!

  
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Re: haven't had a good bear thread in weeks - so....
Reply #32 - May 30th, 2013 at 4:43pm
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solotripper wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 12:58pm:
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Roughly 4 lbs, split between 2 hikers isn't that big of deal.




Let me know when you are ready to go. I usually like going to new places but I would be game to go back into the Belly River Valley.
  
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Re: haven't had a good bear thread in weeks - so....
Reply #33 - May 30th, 2013 at 5:00pm
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mastertangler wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 4:43pm:
solotripper wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 12:58pm:
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Roughly 4 lbs, split between 2 hikers isn't that big of deal.




Let me know when you are ready to go. I usually like going to new places but I would be game to go back into the Belly River Valley.


In OUR case it would probaby be #8 lbs. Huh
That's 1 fence to keep bears from us and 1 to keep us from each other. Grin Grin
  
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Reply #34 - May 30th, 2013 at 8:31pm
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Ha!  good one!

The guy I wouldn't go with is the one who wouldn't take the potential dangers seriously. > "I like having a snickers bar handy for that midnight snack"......."Hey, lets free climb that rock facing"......"what do ya mean we can't pitch the tent here, that tree only looks like it is ready to fall, it's been there for 100 years what are the chances of it falling anytime soon"?
  
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Reply #35 - Jun 3rd, 2013 at 1:24pm
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mastertangler wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 8:31pm:
Ha!  good one!

The guy I wouldn't go with is the one who wouldn't take the potential dangers seriously. > "I like having a snickers bar handy for that midnight snack"......."Hey, lets free climb that rock facing"......"what do ya mean we can't pitch the tent here, that tree only looks like it is ready to fall, it's been there for 100 years what are the chances of it falling anytime soon"?


One of the things that irritated me most when I tripped with 3 other guys is that because they knew I planned for the worst, they didn't worry at all. Huh
When something happened and I had inadvertently not had whatever we needed or not enough of it, they actually would get mad about it. Roll Eyes
  
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Reply #36 - Jun 3rd, 2013 at 5:27pm
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solotripper wrote on Jun 3rd, 2013 at 1:24pm:
When something happened and I had inadvertently not had whatever we needed or not enough of it, they actually would get mad about it. Roll Eyes


Tis human nature is it not? It has been my experience that the more inexperienced the folks you take care of are the more likely they are to look at your "preparations" (or perceived lack thereof) with a jaundiced eye.

It is likely and probable that they have really no clue the amount of time, effort and expense that went into their behalf. All they basically understand is how could you be so inept as to forget or not anticipate X,Y or Z.

I frequently invite inexperienced anglers on the overnight boats. For the most part they are people I carefully screen and they are typically appreciative of the equipment, tackle and expertise I provide. Even so.......I don't think they fully comprehend the preparations that go into trying to show them a good time. I understand this going in and if they go enough they gather a fuller understanding. I guess the point I am making is to try not and take it personally when the novice is critical.
  
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Reply #37 - Jun 3rd, 2013 at 6:07pm
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I guess the point I am making is to try not and take it personally when the novice is critical.


Agreed, you can't take it personally when someone is new to the experience.
In the instance I was referring too, this was over a 20+ year span.
I know I should of cut the cord years before, but we had a social connection as well, and I kept getting pulled back in. My mistake for thinking( hoping) "leopards" could change their spots. Embarrassed
  
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Reply #38 - Jun 3rd, 2013 at 9:13pm
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solotripper wrote on Jun 3rd, 2013 at 6:07pm:
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I know I should of cut the cord years before, but we had a social connection as well, and I kept getting pulled back in. My mistake for thinking( hoping) "leopards" could change their spots. Embarrassed


Now we are really getting to the nub of it aren't we? As in any relationship we can choose wether or not to be irritated. Easier said than done that is for sure but that is the truth of the matter.

Time also has a way of smoothing over the rough parts as in your 20+ year experience. Of course  fresh irritations have a way of opening old wounds (now I remember why I didn't want to go with this bunch   Tongue )

I gave my best shot to garner a selective compadre on this summers trip. But when it fell through I thought "Oh well, probably just as well".......Positives and negatives on both sides of the equation and the secret to satisfaction IMO is to focus on the positive aspects.   
  
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Re: haven't had a good bear thread in weeks - so....
Reply #39 - Jun 3rd, 2013 at 9:55pm
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Time also has a way of smoothing over the rough parts as in your 20+ year experience


That was part of the problem. After a trip when I swore never again, there would be a cooling off period and then they'd start the pitch for the next trip that would be "different".
Didn't happen and your right, you can choose whether to be irritated or not.
After 20+ years, I skipped the irritated part and just cut all the ties period.
Never regretted doing it and mutual friends tell me they've never taken a wilderness trip again.
I guess they knew someone had to plan and organize for one, and they knew it wouldn't be one of them. Roll Eyes
  
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