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Reply #40 - Jun 12th, 2013 at 12:25pm
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now here is a good "listen" (scroll down a bit and look for it)   - them bears are gettin hungry!


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Reply #41 - Jun 12th, 2013 at 12:52pm
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Wow......

a few thoughts FWIW.........

*I question his original thought process of making himself known. If the bear hasn't noticed you my tack would be to keep it that way.

*He was super smart to be assertive, move towards him and hit the bear while stationary. Very tough to get a short effective blast while they are coming at you. The tendency seems to me would be for a more sustained blast which leaves you empty.

* I wonder what concentration the spray was? I found a canister in Algonquin park which was Canadian made and the concentration was only 1% as opposed to the 2% of "Counter Assault". 2 cans of spray on a paddlin trip is not really feasible but I like having my Seal Pup knife handy. I have seen/heard of 2 instances now of persistent blacks being determined in spite of multiple shots of mace.

  
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Reply #42 - Jun 12th, 2013 at 1:06pm
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That's the type of bear I worry/caution others about.
Imagine what would of happened if the guy hadn't had the Bear Spray and kept his cool. Cry

Unless your prepared to go hand to hand with a bear like this, at the minimum you need some bear spray, preferably the biggest size they make.

In the BWCA I'd pack a magnum handgun as well, especially if traveling solo.

What this tells me too is how smart they are.
After a couple of attempts it learned to fear the spray and backed off when threatened with it.

I'm sure that given enough time and distance it would of figured out that the rapidly depleting bear spray was no longer a threat and went in for the kill.

Big bear against Leatherman, I wouldn't want those odds. Tongue
  
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Re: haven't had a good bear thread in weeks - so....
Reply #43 - Jun 13th, 2013 at 12:28pm
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solotripper wrote on Jun 12th, 2013 at 1:06pm:
That's the type of bear I worry/caution others about

Big bear against Leatherman, I wouldn't want those odds. Tongue


Just enough knife to piss it off. I like the Seal Pup knife I have.......pretty cool knife although I will probably seldom if ever use the dang thing, I just like it. Someone on the board made me get it  Roll Eyes and it rides on the Batman utility belt. Sheathe is some sort of plastic covered by nylon. It has a little pocket where I stick my tiny bottle of Bens bug spray. Rather handy.
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The elite comes with a Kydex sheathe which I strongly suggest if you intend to wear it. It will prevent you from impaling yourself in a fall. 

I still wouldn't want to go head to head though even with the fairly substantial blade. You can kill one with a blade though as per described in "Bear attacks, causes and avoidance" where a teen killed one in PA after it had already secretly killed a pal that he went looking for while they were trout fishing. He killed it with a filet knife.

I have occasionally wondered the best grip to be employed during a bear attack and have decided the best way would be to have the blade upside down and pointing towards me. Stick it in and pull up and hopefully gut the thing. It seems to me that to use a knife in an ordinary manner would be mostly ineffective as while pushing the knife your grip is quite likely to loosen and fail despite the adrenaline. Pulling towards your body seems to me the best option. Of course that means that the bear is on you and it is close quarters but I think it is the best way. The big question mark is......can I stick him before he gets my neck and shakes it :question Rather hard question to contemplate.
  
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Reply #44 - Jun 13th, 2013 at 1:36pm
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IF I had to use my small fixed blade knife similar in size to your Seal Pup, I'd use the grip that many knife fighters/martial artist favor.

With you thumb on top, you grip knife so blade is pointing down/with edge facing target.
You can slash up/across and stab on the down stroke/backstroke.
Another thing I read about is how to use your "off hand/arm" ?
If say you keep your left arm horizontal, the bear will bite your wrist/forearm. I don't know if you could stand the pain from that and even if you could, he has the leverage on you, plus he's swinging those two big paws.

In the military I was taught that if attacked by a sentry dog, you had to accept being bit but you could use that against the dog which is trained to grab ahold and hang on until called off.

The idea was to offer your forearm ( easier said than done) before the dog can go for the jugular.
You jam your forearm into its jaws to the point it can't get close them and push back into the dog, raising it onto it's back legs.

Then you have two options. If you have a knife, you gut it with your free hand.
The next option is harder but doable.
While the dog has your left arm, you grab its fur at the neck and drive your knee upward into chest area, hopefully breaking ribs and puncturing a lung, either killing it or making it let go.

I doubt you could do that with a bear, much to strong and well muscled.
What you want to do ( again, easier said than done) is keep your off hand perpendicular to the bear and try and secure hold on the bears throat area while stabbing and slashing with knife hand.
Go for eyes/into ears, hopefully into brain which would kill instantly.

If you find yourself going to ground, you don't want the black bear to be on your back, going for a fatal neck bite.
You want to be on your back, with ankles crossed and knees pulled into chest.
The bear will go for entails first. Hopefully this will give you the time to deliver a fatal blow. Undecided

OR if your in the US and you can carry a weapon legally, you hit it with the bear spray and if that doesn't work, you pull your pistol and blows it's brains out. Wink

If that offends your wilderness ethics, then go for the first option and hope that works.
  
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Reply #45 - Jun 13th, 2013 at 1:36pm
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YOU GUYS!!!!! Angry Shocked  You are working hard to erode my confidence just before I head out for 10 days alone in the Quetico!  I still believe meeting a predatory bear is less likely than getting hit by lightning...if death by bear is my future I will have to accept that.
  
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Reply #46 - Jun 13th, 2013 at 1:40pm
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...if death by bear is my future I will have to accept that


The idea is to warn/caution so you don't have to accept that unlikely future.
A can of bear spray is cheap insurance along with your wilderness skills and good old beaver stick for the bears that just are looking for a picnic basket meal.
  
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Reply #47 - Jun 13th, 2013 at 2:37pm
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I_C, You know the 1st thing these guys would do is put on a pair of brown pants,,,, Huh

so people wouldn't know how scared they really were,,, Shocked
  
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Reply #48 - Jun 13th, 2013 at 4:13pm
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So if I were to buy bear spray...can I get it at an outdoor sporting goods store?  Can I buy it in Fort Francis or Ely?
  
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Reply #49 - Jun 13th, 2013 at 4:27pm
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Jim J Solo wrote on Jun 13th, 2013 at 2:37pm:
I_C, You know the 1st thing these guys would do is put on a pair of brown pants,,,, Huh

so people wouldn't know how scared they really were,,, Shocked


Yup, I'd have brown pants alright but better brown pants with a plan than brown and bloody without one. Wink

I'm less worried about a bear killing me outright.
If that would occur, then my "problem" is solved.
What concerns me more is being mauled to the point I couldn't get out or signal for help and left to die a slow/lingering death.

IC, I'm sure somebody in Ely carries it. I know Piragis does in it's catalog.
Just make sure whatever product you buy, it clearly states on label that it's for use on animals ONLY and not for personal defense ( like pepper spray) .
I believe pepper spray is illegal in Canada and  could cause you problems with the customs people.

You know my intent wasn't to terrify you or anyone else, especially solo paddlers but that being said, going solo has enough risk involved that you can't plan/foresee.

If your going to take a SPOT device because your concerned about others worrying unnecessarily, then having some bear spray for the worst case scenario is just an extension of that concern.

What good is the SPOT if your not alive to use it or unable too because your badly injured. :question
  
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