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Re: haven't had a good bear thread in weeks - so....
Reply #50 - Jun 14th, 2013 at 11:58am
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I like your thinking ST........I had already considered using my forearm as a shield and then using the knife into the throat and then pulling the knife towards my body. It would be a close run thing as the bear is likely to shake its head when it bites thus breaking your arm and throwing you. I am less keen on your suggested grip which may be fine on puny human flesh but would likely have to much "flex" in the grip as you "push" the blade. Slashing motions would likely be just enraging to the beast. I like the concept of the blade facing me and pulling. Can you picture how much more stability and force that could be applied? You create a triangle of sorts and use the bicep for energy. I also like the idea of pointing the weapon at your adversary. All animals dislike pointy objects. Doubt that? Take your finger and point it at a dog and watch.....they will generally have some sort of modest but immediate reaction.

BTW.......if a black bear attacks you it won't be to punish you (mauling) like a grizzly will. If a black bear attacks you it is predatory......there will not be any lingering death unless he decides to eat while you are still kicking, then you get to watch like the woman geologist in Alaska who watched while both arms were devoured before a helicopter came to rescue her. She survived but both arms were amputated (as described in "Bear attacks, causes and avoidance"). 

Fearful? I must admit to the hair on the back of my neck standing on end the night the bear had us under a bit of siege that rainy night in Algonquin. When it "snuffled" near my arm with only a tent wall between us that got my attention in a hurry. It was the oddest thing.........My friend and I had so much heightened energy that it came out in intense suppressed laughter that actually started to hurt my insides. I know our faces were contorted from smiling and laughing although neither of us found our situation the least bit funny. The tarp dumping a half gallon of water every 20 minutes onto the side of the tent added to the fear and hilarity of the situation. It was surreal.......a tiny little light hanging from the tent ceiling casting an odd glow to the whole scenario. I eventually decided to go to sleep......my arms folded and a hatchet on my chest........My chum stayed awake most of the night with a can of bear spray in one hand and a small knife in the other.

On the other hand I have been plenty assertive with daytime contact.......probably a little to assertive. In the future I will probably stand off to the side and determine intent before I get fired up. In many cases that I have read the bear seems at first to be mostly harmless, puttering about, but then becomes more confident as time goes on.

I, for one, would not go solo without a can of spray....(I would't pack a firearm unless I was in polar bear country)...especially early in the year when their food sources are still light. Hunger is a big motivator. Intellect tells me I could likely live 10 lifetimes and probably never need the stuff.......but after reading about what can and has happened to folk I have no desire to be on the receiving end. It is basically a little peace of mind.........I have also wondered about how it would do against moose after having been chased a wee little distance (THAT will get your attention!!)...........and hey, what about a group of loud and unruly teenagers at midnight? Could be very effective  Cheesy.  
  
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Re: haven't had a good bear thread in weeks - so....
Reply #51 - Jun 17th, 2013 at 1:28pm
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MT,
I hope to never have to find out firsthand what knife techniques would prove the most effective.

What's clear to me is that if that field biologist hadn't had the foresight to carry that bear spray, the end might of been far different ( for him).

Predatory bears must be a concern regardless of the long odds, or the people who work daily in the field wouldn't carry bear spray or firearms (sometimes both).

In a large group, say 4 or more, you could probably drive off a predatory bear by sheer force of numbers, but a solo paddler or even a couple if one is attacked and crippled/killed in the intial attack has the odds against them unless they have a option other than going one on one against a bear.

I've driven for over 50+ years now, never been in an accident. Never had to rely on my seat belt, but I've always worn them, even when it wasn't the law to do so.
Small price to pay for the knowledge that if the worst scenario happens, I have a fighting chance to survive.

I look a Bear Spray the same way. I don't care how unlikely the chance's are to be attacked by a wild critter, that's little comfort when your the one the odds fall on. Cry
  
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Reply #52 - Jun 17th, 2013 at 3:12pm
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I'm interested in hearing your thoughts on air horns? In the marine section of outdoor stores there are very small cans of compressed air that are air horns. We were at a cottage last summer and they used them to scare bears away when they came near the cottage. All the neighbours had them and when you heard an air horn you knew a bear was close and to get to your cottage/air horn before it ambled your way. Thoughts on using air horns in Quetico? For bear protection only of course.
  
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Reply #53 - Jun 17th, 2013 at 5:39pm
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You can hear those things miles away. The last thing I want to hear in Quetico (or any other backcountry area) is someone else across the lake honking their vuvuzela at everything they think might be a bear.

Air horns are illegal in a lot of wilderness areas too, for exactly this reason

Don't even think about taking an air horn. If you're concerned about bears, read up on bear safety precautions, keep a spotless, odourless camp, and your chances of an adverse bear encounter will be miniscule.
  
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Reply #54 - Jun 17th, 2013 at 5:43pm
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"I'm interested in hearing your thoughts on air horns?"


just guessing, but they would probably work on bears that hadn't heard them before.  once exposed and no real harm done, a persistant bear would likely ignore the airhorn, just like they do with banging pots together. 

for a predatory attack, I'd say they might work, or not - but consider that the bear in the second incident was sprayed four times at close range with pepper spray, and was not totally deterred from pursuing his attack

airhorn would be a lot cheaper than a can of pepper spray, but if it was carrying one or the other, I'd go with the pepper - might be a cheap backup to try to scare nuisance bears away
  
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Reply #55 - Jun 17th, 2013 at 8:08pm
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I don't want to hear air horns going off either (false alarms), but I can understand the concern about being alerted if a nuisance or God forbid a predatory bear is coming into camp?

I've mentioned my little personal alarm set-up before. It's basically a jogger alarm that takes a 9v battery and is about the size/weight of a deck of cards.
Pull the lanyard and it sets off a sound like smoke detector.

Beauty of this set-up is with a little ingenuity it can be rigged to hanging/stashed food packs in such a way that only a big critter like a bear could set it off, no false alarms.
You could even rig it with some fishing line like a perimeter trip wire set-up.
Keep the trip line high enough off the ground so little critters wouldn't set it off.

Keeping a clean camp is very important and since 99+% of bears are just looking for a free meal, that is the best defense against losing a food pack.
For that small % of bears that see YOU as the meal, then a early warning of their presence, especially at night might be helpful.

I'd still get  a can of good bear spray, one for each tent in party. Cheap insurance IMHO.

I'll bet that biologist that used if effectively to avoid a mauling/death won't say "What's the odds of that happening again" and go without it next time out. Roll Eyes

He'll pack a bigger can next time I bet.
  
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Reply #56 - Jun 17th, 2013 at 9:31pm
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Thanks for your comments. We do keep a really clean campsite and I've never seen a bear out camping. I did grow up on the edge of Quetico so I have certainly seen a lot of bears! The only time we've had a bear come to our campsite was at a "well used site" in Algonquin, and it ripped the bottom of our food pack while we slept (only got a bag of oatmeal). Clearly a late night with the food pack "not quite" high enough! We always carry pepper spray and I really enjoyed listening to the biologist's interview about his walk back to the truck with the bear! I was thinking pepper spray is for when a bear is really close (and prayer and brown pants would also be helpful). Air horn could be for a nuisance bear on a portage who's trying to go after your food pack (we do split our food up just in case). I totally understand the concern about hearing horns from miles away and I appreciate all of your feedback.
  
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Reply #57 - Jun 17th, 2013 at 10:16pm
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Air horn could be for a nuisance bear on a portage who's trying to go after your food pack


I bought the jogger alarm because I'm a solo paddler and 2x portage.
I didn't like the idea of leaving my food pack unattended especially on long portages and hanging every portage would be a pain in the rear.
I put my jogger alarm in a secure side pocket of food pack and tie short line to branch and then pull pin cord on the alarm.
I figure if a bear grabs pack and the alarm blaring in his face fails to detour him, the pack will be easier to find in the woods. Grin

When in camp, I hang my food pack and take alarm in tent along side my bear spray.
I'd set alarm off as 1st response if bear comes into camp/ tent, then bear spray.
  
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Reply #58 - Jun 18th, 2013 at 5:33pm
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What NOT to do with a bear:

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And the story combines bears AND beers  Shocked
  
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Reply #59 - May 9th, 2014 at 12:38pm
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Bears are getting hungry again - this one couldn't be deterred from his goal: several video interviews at the link

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CTVNews.ca Staff, May 8, 2014 10:51:00 PM





A Suncor employee killed by a bear at an Alberta oilsands site was with a group of co-workers when the animal attack occurred, a union official said Thursday.

CTV Calgary has confirmed the victim's identity as Lorna Weafer.

The 36-year-old was an instrument technician who was doing electrical work near Fort McMurray when the bear attacked her Wednesday afternoon.

"It was ... seven people that were working in a group area and she was attacked by this bear out of that group and dragged off," Scott Doherty, a spokesman for Unifor, told The Canadian Press on Thursday.

"People tried to stop it and do everything they could. Obviously they are fairly horrified at what they saw and witnessed."

Doherty said the union does not believe the workers were carrying bear spray. Another union official told CP that the victim's co-workers blasted air horns in an effort to scare the bear away, but that didn't work.

A spokesperson for Alberta Fish and Wildlife told CTV Calgary that it doesn't look like the bear was provoked. So far, officials are calling the attack predatory.

The RCMP said it killed an adult black bear in the area after the attack. Tests are being done to determine whether it was the same bear that attacked Weafer.

"This has been a very difficult and tragic time for the Suncor family," company spokesperson Sneh Seetal told CTV. "Fort McMurray is an incredibly close-knit community."

Doherty said there needs to be a full investigation into what happened.

Suncor said it's working with Alberta wildlife officials to find out why the attack occured. The company also says it offers "bear safety awareness training" to its employees "on a regular basis."

The union, however, says that training is not extensive.

This was the first time since 1991 that someone in Alberta was killed by a black bear. Experts say fatal bear attacks in North America are very rare.

Alberta Environment estimates there are more than 40,000 black bears in the province. They start to come out of winter hibernation at this time of the year.

In 2011, 145 bears were shot in Alberta to reduce the number of bears who were getting too close to populated areas, attracted by garbage.
  
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