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What the hell was this guy thinking?
Jul 4th, 2013 at 3:21pm
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Stories like this just boggle the mind.
10 miles of open water is a push for seasoned adult paddlers never mind a 8 year old.

The comment about the "rogue wave" irks me as well.
It implies that "if" they hadn't encountered one, the fathers decision to attempt such a trip would of been the right one. Huh
Anyone that has canoed big water knows that big waves are a fact of life not just a fluke to be unconcerned about.
I feel for the family.
  
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Reply #1 - Jul 6th, 2013 at 5:18pm
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Obviously, not "thinking." Ten miles across open water on Lake Michigan? You gotta be kidding!
  
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Reply #2 - Jul 6th, 2013 at 8:31pm
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I could even understand it if they were in a tandem kayak with spray skirts and a bilge pump but an open boat was just asking for trouble. Sad
  
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Reply #3 - Jul 7th, 2013 at 8:24am
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It sounded like they were on the water over twelve hours (8AM to 8:30 PM) Must have the earlier time wrong.

Even the BW has some big waters to think about, but Lake Michigan in an open canoe? Mind as well jump off a cliff and hope you make it.
  
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Reply #4 - Jul 7th, 2013 at 3:08pm
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Things can change too quick to commit to such a long crossing in an open boat even if the present conditions seem OK.

This spring I was on a large MI lake (Higgins) and enjoying the flat surface conditions to peer down into the depths at a drop off. I noticed a slight breeze riffled the water and we couldn't see down much anymore. Less than 10 mins later and it was a good thing we were in sea kayaks with spray skirts.

I sat in on a Canoecopia talk 2 yrs ago and ever since then its bothered me. The speaker mentioned some people that had needed rescued from L Superior. The couple was in the audience. Rather than being humbled about the decision they made to try a long crossing in a tandem kayak alone. They seemed to enjoy their 15 mins of fame. Adding some misinformation too, such as, it was against the law to bring bear spray into Cdn. I argued the point. But he was convinced he was an authority on the issue, since he was the one getting all the attention.
  
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Reply #5 - Jul 8th, 2013 at 2:05am
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Jim,
There seems to be a great deal of confusion about mace type spray in Canada. At the Detroit crossing I had a Canadian border agent tell me my bear spray was illegal and I would have to turn around and go back. while in the process of turning around some other agents asked what I was doing and when I told them they wanted to know who told me I couldn't enter and then they shook their heads and waved me through.

I have nothing but pity on the poor man whose foolish actions cost the life of his son. I cannot begin to imagine how torturous each day, each waking moment, must be.
  
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Re: What the hell was this guy thinking?
Reply #6 - Jul 8th, 2013 at 6:00am
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It's too bad we learn from other's mistakes and bad luck. Then again, and with all due respect ... it could have been in the car a mile from home....

I looked at a map and it looks more like 6 miles of open water so that's, what, maybe an hour and a half paddle in decent conditions? Sounds like they paddled to the island spent the day there and this happened on the return trip?

A mile from shore? That's too bad but ya know, being a mile upwind from shore isn't all that unusual in the BW/Q.

2 hours in 55 degree water? For the sake of argument let's say 1 hour and double the body mass. Would you be able to survive and be rescued after reaching shore w/o help?

I was always told you cannot bring pepper spray into Canada unless it was specifically labeled for use on bears and not people (mace) and I've never even brought any. That's just one of many conversations at the window over the years.

Times (tragedies) like this, I sometimes think some folks have been been sold a bill of goods. A PFD will save your life! Bear spray will save your life! You need both! Never mind the fact that you need to know how they are intended to work in the first place, RTFM.

While both could if save your life, I guess, if used correctly. One or the other in the wrong hands and the wrong conditions might give some folks a false sense of security. Ever try to swim any distance with a PFD on? Can you even tell which way to swim a mile out? Will you remember to consider which way the wind was blowing before you decide you need to spray a threatening bear?

Do either of these two well endorsed products come with a Mulligan type extended warranty?
  
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Re: What the hell was this guy thinking?
Reply #7 - Jul 8th, 2013 at 1:34pm
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The greatest survival tool is the mass between your ears.
Unfortunately at least in my experience you either have common sense, a sense of self preservation/survival or you don't.

I've worn a seat belt since long before they were mandatory and have never been in a accident that the seat belt played any safety role in.
Still I know I've been lucky and sooner or later I know I'll be glad I have one on.

Same with PFD/Bear Spray. It's a tool that you hope you don't need but having it available if the worst happens is just common sense IMHO.
Like any "tool", the operator is responsible for it's proper use.
 
I think the confusion over Bear Spray is because some officers are not educated on the difference between Bear Spray formulated for animals and Mace which is for humans.
All they see is a spray can and they link them together.
Being polite/civil when you know your right with a officer is the way to go here.
Often asking to speak to a superior can rectify the situation.
 
In MI they have what they call Open Carry.
That means that anyone who can legally own a gun, can carry it openly without having a CCW (concealed carry) license.
The key is the weapon must be in plain sight.
There is even a group that educates it's members and the law enforcement community about it.
Many police officers, especially the rookies don't know it's legal because they were never taught that part of the law in their training.

Same with Bear Spray. It is legal in Canada but must be labeled strictly for protection from animals.
All the major makers of Bear Spray know this and label their products accordingly.
  
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Reply #8 - Jul 8th, 2013 at 5:26pm
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Here's a bit more info on the same accident.

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Re: What the hell was this guy thinking?
Reply #9 - Jul 8th, 2013 at 5:33pm
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Bear spray?

What I always heard was NOT to say  it was for PERSONAL PROTECTION

Just say it's for use again bears only.

I've asked/discussed it with cdn customs at the border before ever bringing any. Noting I'd seen it sold in cdn and if it mattered where I bought it. I do know you can't bring it on a plane. It can be taped to a strut outside a plane OK.
  
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