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Reply #10 - Sep 3rd, 2013 at 5:12pm
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Master Tangler,

As an alternative to a heavy ATV battery, or fistfulls of AA or AAA batteries, you could try my solution for a power source.  I use 12V rechargeable lithium batteries from a Ryobee 12V drill set.  The drill, batteries (2) and charger kit cost anywhere from $39 on sale to $69 at regular price.  One of the batteries generally will last for a full weeks fishing.
I mounted a small waterproof "Pelican type" box under the seat of my Prism, which will securely hold either one or two of these Ryobee battery packs.
The initial cost may seem high, but I have been using the same set of batteries for three years now.  And have had the cordless drill to use at home...
Crimped on spade elctrical connectors available at any hardware store fit securely into the contacts on the batteries.  A very simple set up.  The batteries probably weigh less, and are easier to mount and pack than a AA or AAA's.
Setting the audible low depth alarm on my detector has helped prevent overnight depth checking in camp... One thing, as others have mentioned about Lithium though, they run until they quit, no getting weak or fading.  They just quit.
  
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Reply #11 - Sep 3rd, 2013 at 6:31pm
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That really does sound like an elegant solution Quentin. A favor please? Hook it up and turn it on at home some night. I don't know what happened. I had the depth alarm set at 2 feet - hey, it wasn't my boat and I wanted to treat it nice. Perhaps I didn't press the off button for the full five seconds as I approached Jimbo's island. Thing is, I had three chances to turn the darn thing off and the pit of my stomach knew exactly what that beeping was as I approached the boat in the morning. Every other night I'd even remove a battery just to be sure so I blame Jimbo!   Grin

As a heavy user of finicky rechargeable nicads once upon a time, I actually almost wish my finder was set up with an integral battery compartment like my camera and cordless drill as I've been very impressed with lithium rechargeables in comparison.
  
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Reply #12 - Sep 3rd, 2013 at 9:12pm
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Quentin  Thumbs Upup

I really like things that you can use for more than one purpose.
Thinking of using drill batteries for a depth finder is really thinking out of the box. Cool

I thought you might like this?
Not practical for traveling, but for home emergency use, maybe base camping or car camping, it might fill a need.

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It's a survivalists sight so don't be put off by it's title. Lot's of good McGyver stuff there.

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Reply #13 - Sep 3rd, 2013 at 9:38pm
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solotripper wrote on Sep 3rd, 2013 at 9:12pm:
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Looks like my father's old brace and no bits. Never know when/where you might need a hole. Even his hammers are a bit outdated. Things change. Knowing the old ways and learning new ways is always helpful.
  
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Reply #14 - Sep 3rd, 2013 at 10:09pm
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You have been holding out on us Quentin  Wink. What other ingenious thoughts are behind that keyboard?

For the sake of discussion I wonder what the pros and cons are vs. what Magic paddler suggested? Is there a clearly superior choice?   

I thank both of you for weighing in......hopefully your advice and expertise will prove beneficial to others as well. It has certainly been helpful to me and has expanded my thinking greatly.
  
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Reply #15 - Sep 3rd, 2013 at 10:49pm
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Quentin what fish detector do you have? How much current does it draw? How many hours will that battery run your detector?
  
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Reply #16 - Sep 4th, 2013 at 11:37am
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What about this battery pack?
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It is heavy coming in at 27 oz but surprisingly small if the mm dimensions are accurate (my conversion is a length of 5.750 inches)

What is Li-Ion? Different than standard lithium technology? Is the voltage to high? 10,400 mAh.....that sounds good, I wonder how long that would last? Questions, questions.

On my almost Hunter Island trip (I buggered off from Lac la Croix and instead went through Minn, darky river and Argo and then back to Crooked. I had given a walleye earlier in the day to a Canadian family who had not caught any fish and I had just caught a 3lb walleye. They were in 2 canoes...... a man and his wife, 2 kids and a grandpa. The old mans eyes lit up when I asked if they would like a fish.

Well anyways.......I was on a river of sorts and it was kind of hot and lazy and suddenly I came to a place that I didn't recognize on the map. It was my first time in the Q and the realization that I didn't know where I was caused a heightened concern. Not to far away I heard some voices on an island so I paddled in to find out where I was.

Lo and behold it was the Canadian family that I had given the fish to. Turns out I was at least 1 mile further down the river than I thought. They invited me to stay at their campsite and I agreed. Naturally I went out and caught a few more fish for the evenings dinner.

I will never forget the 6 year old boy who wore me out with his questions. Questions about how I caught the fish, how I cleaned the fish, why dragonflies have such big eyes and on and on. Whew!

I hope I'm not wearing you guys out Wink.

 
  
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Re: Depth finder power source
Reply #17 - Sep 4th, 2013 at 1:39pm
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Looks like my father's old brace and no bits. Never know when/where you might need a hole. Even his hammers are a bit outdated. Things change. Knowing the old ways and learning new ways is always helpful.


Sometimes the old ways are the best ways.
I have a old brace and bit set I bought at rummage sale for zip.
New, they're expensive.
When I worked commercial construction we had a project that involved drilling multiple holes in railroad size oak timbers.
The boss bought a heavy duty 3/4' drill and wood bits for it to do the job.
Oak is extremely hard. Too much down force you end up smoking the bit and even worse binding the bit.
Big strong guy with no experience in drilling 1 1/4 holes in hardwood, tried the "muscle" the job.
Bit bound up, and the torque from that 3/4 drill snapped and broke one of his wrists and strained ligaments in the other.
Old finish carpenter on the job had the solution in his truck. Old school brace and bit and some sweat equity.
Something to remember if you ever need big holes in hard, large dimensioned lumber. Wink
  
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Reply #18 - Sep 5th, 2013 at 1:31am
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The elite 4x requires a minim of 10 volts and the battery you are looking at has 4 cells. This mean that each cell must put out at least 2.5 volts or the unit will not work well.   Looking at the top discharge curve for one Li Ion cell you will have 100% of the charge used when the battery is down to 2.5 Volts per cell.
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The battery you suggested has 10.4 Amp Hours divides that by the draw from the elite 4x.   
10.4 Amp Hours/.2Amps = 52 Hours.   
That battery has “Built-in IC chip will prevent battery pack from over charge and over discharge and prolongs battery life”.  I do not know if that requires a smart charger or not. If those batteries are over charged it will destroy them.
  
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Re: Depth finder power source
Reply #19 - Sep 5th, 2013 at 11:32am
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db wrote on Sep 3rd, 2013 at 5:55am:
I imagine that depth and shooting through the hull or not matters a little too.


52 hours sounds pretty good Magic Paddler. Better than anything we have looked at so far? The negatives are is that it is expensive and heavy and does require a smart charger which tacks on another $20.

Db's comments got me thinking. Just before we left I knew of Kingfishers propensity to "go, go" so I added some skid plates to the bottom of my boat as it needed it anyways. Not only was the backlight probably on but I bet that transducer is shooting through the skid plate to boot. DOH! Before I jump the gun I will make some changes.....try with the backlight off and transducer mounted differently. But now I know there is a world of options out there. Thanks. 
  
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