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Re: Depth finder power source
Reply #100 - Jun 23rd, 2014 at 6:27pm
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Went on my Quetico trip last week with my new Rigid battery set up and was surprised when the fish finder stopped working when I know it was still reading around 17 volts. So I opened it and pressed the self-test button on the battery and the LED lights flashed suggesting that the battery needed charging, so I tried the second battery the next day and around 17 volts it cuts out, that was after maybe 6-9 hours of run time. Shocked Big bummer on the Rigid battery setup, was unaware of that battery operating issue? thought it would run long time!
Any suggestion let me know otherwise back to AA's.
  
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Reply #101 - Jun 23rd, 2014 at 6:52pm
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I have no idea why that would happen, but since   I was planning a similar set-up with my Ryobi battery, I hope you/someone finds out what happened?
I wonder if the issue could be that the battery when not in the "proper" receptacle on a powertool, somehow goes into some kind of "mode"?

My Ryobi battery for my new string trimmer has held a charge thru a couple of long triiming sessions and still has plenty of juice left. Can't beleive a fish finder would deplete a battery faster than the effort it takes to cut weeds. Huh

I haven't bought a fish finder yet, after reading this, I might do a mock-up here at home and see if I get the same result while I have time to make a AA holder.
  
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Re: Depth finder power source
Reply #102 - Jun 24th, 2014 at 12:55pm
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I've been re-reading this whole thread and was reminded that Quentin is the one that uses that Ryobi 18 v Lithium battery set-up.

Maybe if he reads this he could go into greater detail (maybe pics) on exactly how his set-up is wired and how he's set-up his fish finder?

I'm looking at my Ryobi battery manual. It talks about battery protection features designed in to the battery packs to protect battery cells and maximize battery life.

For my weed trimmer, it says if the trimmer stops during use, release the trigger to reset and resume operation. If the tool still doesn't work, the battery needs to be re-charged.

I wonder Red Owl if you would of "re-set" the battery by turning the fish finder on-off, if that would of made a difference?
  
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Re: Depth finder power source
Reply #103 - Jun 24th, 2014 at 4:26pm
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That protection feature is what I suspected as well, I haven't had a chance to connect the batteries to the tools just yet but I'll try that first before I charge them.
The rigid batteries do have the tabs labeled "+ & -" so know I've got them connected correctly.
Back to the battery LED feature which indicates how much battery life you have left, I'll have to test and see how much shows up with a volt meter, I will let you know.

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Reply #104 - Jun 24th, 2014 at 6:15pm
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I'm hoping it's something like that?
My Ryobi battery doesn't have that LED feature, which would be nice if it's accurate and not somehow part of the problem?
  
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Reply #105 - Jun 25th, 2014 at 5:05am
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Most locators display the voltage of the power supply, a handy feature when running off of small batteries.
I pay fairly close attention to this during a trip so that I can see if I have an unusual power drain occurring and may be able to correct it. Things like corroded  or loose contacts or leaving a backlight turned on for example.
  
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Re: Depth finder power source
Reply #106 - Jun 25th, 2014 at 7:42pm
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Finally got around to the rigid battery testing; before I even put them in the charger unit I tested each and it read 0.00 on the meter-pushed the test button on the battery and all got was a single LED light that would flash. So I put one in the charger and heard funny Grinclick, so I pulled it out and put the meter on it and it metered at 16.78 volts, did the same thing with the second battery heard the same funny Grinclick; which was I'm guessing a sort of reset to begin the charge on the battery. Anyway put the meter on it and it read out 19.34 volts; pushed the self-test button on the battery which lit up 3 out of 4 LED lights indicating it still had some life to it.
My take on it is that there is some sort of low voltage protection or cutout to prevent damage to the batteries, which can only be reset when placed back into the charger unit.
First thoughts is how do I over ride this option out in the field.
Anyone?
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Reply #107 - Jun 25th, 2014 at 8:06pm
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I re-read my Ryobi manual and it says that if your power tool of choice stops working while your using it, you release the trigger and that will re-set the battery IF it still has a charge.

This makes me think that it might not be something that only the charger can re-set, unless the tool battery holder/trigger is set up like the charger?

Since you have your fish finder set-up made, did you try running it jerry rigged at home and when it dies, just turning the fish finder on/off to see if that would re-set the battery?

I hope our electrical guru MP chimes in, if anyone would know, it would be him.

Quentin didn't have a problem, so maybe it's exclusive to the Rigid battery, or else his Ryobi battery doesn't have that feature.

Now I'm really curious. Huh
  
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Re: Depth finder power source
Reply #108 - Jun 27th, 2014 at 5:39pm
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When I was out in on the water it shut off and would not power back up…no I'm not going to drag a drill or useless charger out camping with me, its enough that I bring a 20lb meat grinder which doubles as an anchor. Wink
I would defiantly test your battery set up while you can at home.
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Re: Depth finder power source
Reply #109 - Jul 10th, 2014 at 12:02pm
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RedOwl wrote on Jun 25th, 2014 at 7:42pm:
My take on it is that there is some sort of low voltage protection or cutout to prevent damage to the batteries, which can only be reset when placed back into the charger unit.

RedOwl


You got it.
There is a protection circuit that prevents over charging, over discharging and over current. On the protection circuit I purchased to reset the under voltage, voltage needs to be applied to the output of the protection circuit.  I was able to reset this protection circuit by putting a 100 K resistor across the protection circuit.  This allows the battery to continue to supply power even when the protection circuit is tripped but in such low current it would take years to drain the battery. To reset the circuit I needed to disconnect the fish detector and leave it disconnected for a few seconds to allow the output voltage to rise to the battery voltage then connect it back up. 
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I don’t think on the Ryobi battery you have access to the unprotected battery connection so you would need another voltage source (like a charger).  It would not need to supply a lot of current but just have enough voltage.  Problem is Ryobi batteries are kind of expensive and if the protection circuit is damaged the pack is useless. What I would try to reset the protection circuit is two 9V batteries connected in series with a 10K to 100K resistor in series. This would provide an 18 volte source that was only capable of supplying 1.8 mA or less.
How many electrical connections are there on the Ryobi battery?

  
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