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Reply #90 - Apr 14th, 2014 at 4:29pm
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Any idea of battery life on your set-up?


The reason I asked is I've been looking at these:

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They're not as compact as your Rigid set-up, but you could probably lay them sideways or buy "dry box" to fit.

I'd like a dry box that would hold battery/ fish finder/puck/cable, and still be light enough to haul around.
  
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Reply #91 - Apr 14th, 2014 at 11:38pm
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I do not know what size the Ryobi one plus is but in the video they say if you step up to the lithium plus you get 4AH.  That is stated as a 18 volt battery.  I do not know what voltage a fully charged 18V battery puts out but using the same ratio as some of the stated value verses actual full charge voltage I would estimate fully charged lithium would be around 20 volts.  If this estimate is accurate I doubt it will destroy the detector but it is much higher than required to get good detector operations and my detector does draw more current the higher the voltage goes.  Many of the small detectors draw under 100mA and are probably still under 100mA at 18 volts. At 100mA a 4AH battery will last 40 hours.
If you want light weight 8 Energizer Ultimate Lithium batteries weigh 4.2 oz.  Today I built a water resistant PVC pipe battery holder that weighs   5.8 oz including the mounting hardware.         A set of 8 Ultimate lithium batteries will provide just over 3 AH at between 10 volts and 12 volts.  That will run the same fish detector 30 hours.  Two sets of batteries plus the holder would weigh 14.2 oz and power the detector for over 60 hours. Sams Club sell 8 batteries for about $15.
If you are willing to carry a little more weight look at the following battery
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This is a 5AH battery.  I have one and have tested it. I get over 4.9AH out of it. The price is $22.07 and if you spend a little time looking at it a popup will offer it to you at $20.89.  It needs a protection circuit added to it and information on that is 2 pages back in this thread. The protection box will cost about $10.  That will run your detector for 50 hours. Add another battery and you got 100 hours for less than $60.  I describe a way to charge it through the protection board and a resistor with an automobile battery charger.  I have charged my batteries this way several times. This battery weighs 13.8 oz and adding the box with the protection board in it brings the weight up to 15.6 oz. 
  
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Reply #92 - Apr 15th, 2014 at 4:14pm
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Good stuff MP  Thumbs Upup
I'll probably make something up when I get new 18 volt drill/battery which I want anyways.
If I got 40 hours out of one battery, that's plenty for my "accidental fishing" needs.
  
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Reply #93 - Apr 20th, 2014 at 7:20am
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i know enough on how to make small electronics do what i want but all the technical stuff is way over my head. i found this article (scroll down to the fish finder portion) and then it has some really neat fish finder/battery info

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Reply #94 - Apr 20th, 2014 at 7:41am
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That's cool. Here's what I know. I replaced the D cell holder with a AA holder for my X4 and 71 hours seems about right for the AAs. I'd expect Ds to last way longer but all those numbers make my eyes glaze over too. Any thoughts Magic?
  
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Reply #95 - Apr 20th, 2014 at 1:19pm
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That was a good find jaximus  Thumbs Upup

Anyone have any idea what units would draw that 28-35 mA ?
  
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Reply #96 - Apr 20th, 2014 at 1:38pm
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That is the kind of information I wanted to make available.  Unfortunately in the past I have made the same mistake that the writer did and db touched on. The reason many knowledgeable people come to this conclusion is it is hard to find good curves on batteries.  On one trip I carried 8 D cells and they ran out of power.  Last year I carried 18 AA’s (lithium) and they lasted. Now that I have measured the lithium batteries and can see that the voltage does not droop I will use sets of 8 rather than sets of 9 and will only take 2 sets of 8 lithium batteries. I have also cut the wires to the lights on my detector.
If you use 8 alkaline batteries in series (AAA’s or AA’s or C’s or D’s) when the batteries are 35% used up the voltage will drop below 10 volts and the detector will not work well. Most detectors shut off when 50% of the batteries are used up.
If you want to use alkaline batteries put 10 in series.  10 in series will last about as long as 2.8 sets of 8 batteries in series. 
The article has a nice comparison of the current draw between different detectors.  This is most likely the current draw listed in the manual and makes a way to compare different detectors.  I think Lowrance/Eagle lists the highest current the detector will draw.  I come to this conclusion from my own measurements.  For example Zski’s Lowrence X4 is listed in the article as drawing 170mA. Back one page in this thread is my measured values for that detector.  At less than 70 Ft it never draws more than 100mA.
The battery holders that the article suggests will work and I have used them.  I found that they have many (4 per battery) pressure connections that will increasingly have voltage drop across them.  If that is what you are using you may want to replace them every couple of years.
Advantage of Lithium Batteries
1      Much lighter per hour of detector operation
2      Cheaper per hour of detector operation
Advantage of Alkaline Batteries
     Better for the environment
  
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Reply #97 - Apr 20th, 2014 at 3:01pm
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Using 8 alkaline batteries is a very common mistake.  Manufactures will picture alkaline batteries in there battery holders that hold 8 batteries. That said there are some detectors that list the operating voltage down to 7 volts.  Those detectors would use most of the power out of a pack of 8 alkaline batteries.
  
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Reply #98 - May 30th, 2014 at 6:07pm
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ST just a quick note on the Ryobi vs Rigid power tool.  I purchased the Rigid combo drill/impact drill and they came with the Li-ion batteries and are guaranteed for life.  Rigid will replace a crapped out battery, you just have to register the serial #s on their website.  I like Red Owl's set up and am ready to retire my Fishin Buddy II that ran on 3 C's for the better part of a week up in Quetico.  Lots of info here on this thread, it should qualify most readers with an EE degree.
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Re: Depth finder power source
Reply #99 - Jun 2nd, 2014 at 6:38pm
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Dr. X,
I like the Rigid brand as well, but my weed whacker crapped out and they had a Lithium/Ion/corded one from Ryobi on sale, so I went with it.
Came with 1 battery and a charger that will charge all their batteries.
I'll probably work on using one of their battery offering for my Sept base camp trip?

Hopefully I won't have any battery failures with the Ryobi?
I must say I was duly impressed with it initially.
Good packing, quality construction, and you can actually understand the directions. Wink Grin
  
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