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Re: dehydrating newbie
Reply #30 - Jan 6th, 2014 at 3:52pm
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So if your out for 4-5 weeks, or longer, super skinny  is probably a given ? That's good if you're carrying extra weight like am these days, but after a point,  it's not.
   Whadaya think?


The "old timers" were right about the need for fats in long term conditions especially in the outdoors and if physically demanding environments.

Back then, fat was fat, but we now know that there are good and bad fats.

You live on a diet of saturated fat and eventually you'll pay the price health wise.
"Good" fat like the kind you find in nuts/ certain seeds (sunflower etc) and of course oily fish (Lakers).
is what you want.

Short term any kind of fat will help you stay warm in a pinch but if you want to optimize your health/longevity, you need to limit the "bad" fats, even though they taste great. Fats hold flavor and that's why bacon/cheese burgers, any high good/bad fat food smells and tastes so good.

The Inuk people survived for thousand of years eating a diet high in whale/seal blubber and heart disease/ most cancers/ diabetes was virtually unknown. Once introduced to "white mans " food, saturated fats/ processed sugar/ white flour/ simple carbs, they quickly developed the diseases that are all too common in most western fast food dominated societies.

IF your a fisherman and plan on an extended wilderness trip, where your pretty well assured of eating some kind of fish on a regular basis, then you have your "protein" needs covered, and IF it's oily type fish, you get some of those healthy fats/oils as well.

Protein is what you need for/sustain muscle mass and mental clarity.  Carbs simple (bad), complex( good) are for energy. Simple carbs are easily absorbed, spike your blood sugar but they energy they give is short termed. It's produces that roller coaster/ crash and burn cycle that is so bad for you health wise and very inefficient for prolonged term physical activity.

So for a long term trip, I'd take complex carb foods, some source of protein to supplement if you don't catch fish, and a source of healthy fats. Nuts/ olive oil, even fish oil/krill capsules would do the trick.

Many legumes (beans) are rich in protein as well as complex carbs. Think red beans and rice, except use brown rice (complex carbs). Maybe saute some onions/garlic in olive oil and then add beans/rice.
Add in some fish chunks and you have a perfect mix of high quality protein, complex carbs and healthy fats.

I make my own trail mix. Plenty of healthy nuts, seeds and for a quick but long lasting energy burst, I add plenty of dried fruit to the mix.
Not all sugars are the same either. It takes longer for your body to break down complex type sugar sources like fruit and so you don't get that same roller coaster effect like with processed white sugar.

On travel days, I eat oatmeal with a handful of trail mix added and of course a big hot cup of strong coffee, hot and black like the Good Lord intended.

I munch on trail mix as I paddle/portage along with plenty of water. I eat some protein every night, just too keep from losing muscle mass and for mental clarity ( brain is a muscle and needs protein, that's why if you have that "brain fog" first thing in morning, you need some protein and make sure your properly hydrated),
I'll eat some of high quality protein meat sticks. I prefer wild game ones ( venison/elk/buffalo/ but lean beef will do too).

You'll be surprised how much energy you'll have and how good you'll feel with/by adding these type items to your wilderness food menu. You can substitute healthy items in older tasty buy unhealthy favorites and find a healthy balance that everyone can live and benefit from.
  
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Reply #31 - Jan 7th, 2014 at 9:37pm
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Solotripper -- thanks for the good info.  I am interested in trying to eat healthier on my canoe trips (and at home!).  My wife and son-in-law (an IronMan competitor), are zealots, and are pushing me hard that way.  My natural instinct is to resist when pushed, but if I can make easy changes to my food on trips that improve my health and give me the right kind of nutrition, I would be foolish not to. 

My question: do you know of a book written specifically on the topic of healthy eating on camping trips, (with recipes) that contains at least some recipes that might relate to wilderness canoeing? (ie, food and recipes that consider weight).  If so, I'd value your recommendation, and I'd be interested in getting such a book.  If not, you should consider writing one (or a magazine article).

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Reply #32 - Jan 7th, 2014 at 11:13pm
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My question: do you know of a book written specifically on the topic of healthy eating on camping trips, (with recipes) that contains at least some recipes that might relate to wilderness canoeing? (ie, food and recipes that consider weight).  If so, I'd value your recommendation, and I'd be interested in getting such a book.  If not, you should consider writing one (or a magazine article).


I appreciate the compliment, but you must of noticed by now, that my grammatical skills are less than what anyone should expect when their reading a book or article.

I don't know of a specific book for camping that has all healthy recipes. There might be, but if you don't mind, I'll give you what IMHO is the better way to go, both at home and in the bush.

You can take any recipe within reason, and make it healthier. The secret/key is to learn how to substitute.

Once you know/understand that, you can take even a high fat comfort food and make it healthy and just as important, tasty as well.

Here's easy example of what I'm talking about.
Take your basic box brownie mix.
Most call for 1/4 cup of vegetable oil, 2 eggs and a little water.

Skip the oil, add one of those small unsweetened apple sauce cups and use 1 egg.
Mix adding a little water as needed and heavy on the walnuts.
The brownie will be more cake like, but the taste is still there and you've cut out a lot of the fat by eliminating the vegetable oil. The applesauce acts like a binder along with the egg and the walnuts give you a healthy fat source. You can substitute pureed prunes IF you can tolerate them.

I'd look for a book/articles that show what and how much to substitute, then get a book like the One Burner Gourmet and start experimenting at home. Once you get a recipe that you like, your on your way.

Another big key is that by limiting/eliminating fat from a recipe, you cut the flavor.
That's why many people are turned off by eating healthier food, because it's bland and tasteless.

I've found at least for my tastes, that even in healthy recipes, I double the amount seasonings the first time I make a new recipe. I've seldom found that it was to much.

Oh, when you make/serve a healthier version of a old favorite to others, don't tell them its: low fat/healthier/ etc. Just tell them it's your version of whatever your making. Let the recipe stand on it's own merit, people get ideas about what they "think' they like without actually even trying something.

Here's a link to what I'm talking about.
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Much of the little I know came from this book.
If you come to understand what she's saying, you'll find that eating better at home/bush or even in restaurants isn't that hard. Considering the alternative of poor health, IMHO it's a no-brainier.

ESSENTIAL EATING- A COOKBOOK
DISCOVER HOW TO EAT, NOT DIET

JANIE QUINN

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Reply #33 - Jan 8th, 2014 at 11:29pm
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Thanks ST.  I'll check out the book, and try some recipes at home, before heading into the bush.

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Reply #34 - Jan 8th, 2014 at 11:43pm
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Glad to help.
If you come up with a killer recipe(s), be sure to share. Thumbs Upup
  
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Reply #35 - Jan 13th, 2014 at 3:19am
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solotripper wrote on Jan 6th, 2014 at 3:52pm:
... brain is a muscle and needs protein, that's why if you have that "brain fog" first thing in morning ...

Sorry, ST, the brain is not a muscle. Muscles can use carbs or fat as fuel, but the brain is a specialized organ that *only* burns glucose.

That being said, I eat mostly the same way you do: a cup of custom-made granola in the morning (high carb; no time for coffee), constant snacking on GORP and dried fruit during the day (more carbs), then protein and carbs (need to recharge those muscle and liver glycogen stores) for dinner. For a full paddling/portaging day, I usually plan on about 2900 calories, typically 70% carbs, 20% protein, 10% fat. For an easy day, I cut back on the mid-day fruit and dinner carbs.

I don't try to fine-tune simple vs complex carbs. The carbs in Granola and GORP (for me) are about 50% sugars, 50% other, dried fruit is about 75% sugar, and lentils, rice, and pasta at dinner are almost all "non-sugar" carbs. (yeah, I know that's not the same as how fast the stuff gets converted to blood glucose, but I don't have handy data on that).

If you want to perform - mentally and physically - you gotta eat those carbs!
  
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Reply #36 - Jan 13th, 2014 at 7:30pm
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Sorry, ST, the brain is not a muscle. Muscles can use carbs or fat as fuel, but the brain is a specialized organ that *only* burns glucose


Your right Joe, I must of been in that "brain fog" when I referred to the brain as a muscle and not a specialized organ. However I probably did so, because like muscles need protein to maintain/grow, the brain does best with glucose that is derived from a protein source early in the day. The second link spells out how protein/carbs/amino acids effect the brain differently and why when you eat both are important.

It goes on to explain how some foods contain all
8 essential amino acids ( complete proteins) and some only contain a few( incomplete). You can combine two incomplete ones to make a complete.

Beans and Rice are a classic example.
I'd just go a little further and make it brown instead of white rice.

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If you want to perform - mentally and physically - you gotta eat those carbs!


But all carbs are not created equally. There's a reason that after eating Chinese food, your often hungry later even though you've eaten a large portion. White rice is a simple carb. Easily digested, but spikes your blood sugar.

Sugar derived from fruit ( fresh or dried) is different too.

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On a outdoor trip where weight and space are at a premium, you get far more "mileage" out of taking complex carbs than simple ones. Substitute whole grain pasta for white enriched, brown rice for white. Buckwheat pancakes etc. Whole grain pita/ tortilla rather than white.

I like discussions like this. Getting people to think about what they put in their bodies is a good thing.
I'm no expert and when I'm wrong, I appreciate that others will straighten me out.
Point is we can all learn to make better choices.
  
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Re: dehydrating newbie
Reply #37 - Jan 14th, 2014 at 1:31am
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HighnDry wrote on Nov 15th, 2013 at 2:45am:
Okay, I know that this isn't a 'gear' thread but thought I'd ask anyway---any suggestions for a dehydrator?  I saw a photo of what Gavia packed in on one of his last trip reports and thought....I need to get back to this stuff! Looked at Excalibur and Nesco brands but open to suggestions...thanks in advance..


My dehydrator is a Nesco American Harvest model with 6 round trays and a donut-shaped bottom piece.  The trays are like screens.  The bottom piece is solid with upturned edges and will hold a quart of salsa or pasta sauce (done both).

It also has a dial to adjust the temperature.  This is critical - jerky is dried at the highest temp and veggies are dried at various other temps.

I believe Nesco also makes a square dehydrator, which holds more per tray.  If you get one, it's better to have extra trays than not enough.  Jerky, for example, can take up to 12 hours.
  
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Re: dehydrating newbie
Reply #38 - Jan 14th, 2014 at 1:50am
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Thanks Gavia! I've been looking at 700 watt units to counter the humidity in MN during most of the year (not now obviously -- think the humidity in my basement is at about 40% per my dehumidifier Smiley. I'm not in a hurry so I'll wait for a sale or similar deal for a used one. Thanks again for the response. I appreciate your and everyone's advice on this!
  
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Reply #39 - Jan 14th, 2014 at 12:06pm
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I have found on my Nesco that cutting parchment paper "liners" on each tray or at least those with finer items works really well.  Especially good for sauces and viscous food, and for ground beef.  Thing as dry better then on the plastic trays provided.
  
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