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Lesson #4 cover up
Sep 24th, 2013 at 11:40am
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Sometimes I can be a hothead (who me?) and what I mean by that is I run a bit on the warm side. When the temps hit that 80 degree mark you will find me in shorts and if it hits 89 I might dispense with the shorts and run in my skivvies (My Indian name being Watana-ki-bwana being loosely interpreted "he who walks in underwear").

Here's the rub, while I am not unfamiliar with poison Ivy I generally ignore it...... what made an impression with me is just how often KF was pointing the noxious plant out. The dang stuff seems quite prevalent in the Quetico.

Add in the two recent bits of info I have read about lymes disease and I am reevaluating some things. In Boundary waters journal a guy went through hell and got the bite in The Quetico if I remember correctly (the observation being made by his partner and subsequent bullseye rash). Then in this past issue of Backpackers Mag there was an article about stuff that bites.......some 25 people have died as a result of lymes. Could that be true? Anyway some pretty nasty consequences from infected deer tick bites. Its almost enough to make me consider dousing myself in chemicals.

In any event my first inclination will now be towards long pants. If you need tripping pants I can't say enough about railriders weatherpants. Definitely tops.

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Re: Lesson #4 cover up
Reply #1 - Sep 24th, 2013 at 1:07pm
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I've also found that the lightweight spandex type long johns help out against ticks.  You'd think they'd be hot on a warm day, but on Aug 27th, it was in the mid 90's and I was not uncomfortable paddling.
  
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Reply #2 - Sep 24th, 2013 at 3:21pm
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Poison Ivy?  Ticks?  In the woods?  Next thing you're going to tell us is that there are mosquitoes out there too.

(I can do this all day if you like)   Roll Eyes
  
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Reply #3 - Sep 24th, 2013 at 3:45pm
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PhantomJug wrote on Sep 24th, 2013 at 3:21pm:
Poison Ivy?  Ticks?  In the woods?  You can't be serious MT.  Next thing you're going to tell me is that there are mosquitoes out there too.

(I can do this all day if you like)   Roll Eyes


Havin a bad day? Maybe a bad month? Like I said this may be old hat to some of you more experienced trippers but I'm a neophyte.....you know, a beginner. I'm not a big hard drinkin, bag-pipe blowin, kilt wearing tough fellow but just a tender hearted artist with delicate sensibilities (please don't hurt me).

So yea, this was a lesson learned. Maybe its not so smart to run in shorts as per my usual custom. Who knew folk have actually died as a result of Lymes? And maybe, just maybe I might not be impervious to poison Ivy? But wait there's more lessons that I learned coming!..........unless of course you would like to post a topic of conversation? Hey come to think of it I can't remember you starting much of anything, except of course "commentary" on what other people post. So what about it? Why don't we turn the tables and you can start something and subject yourself to petty snide remarks? Whadya say?

I don't get it? I have always been supportive of you PJ, invited you to Florida to fish and tried to set you and your family up with my friend in the panhandle to take you out. What gives? It's OK.......story of my life, people who really like me and people who don't. No bigey. Here is a recipe.......go make some stew. (pretty good, I'm eating some right now  Wink )

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Re: Lesson #4 cover up
Reply #4 - Sep 24th, 2013 at 4:24pm
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Yeah, I don't start many conversations anymore.  I satisfied my need to hear myself talk in 1993 - killed the "Old Adam" as they say.  Most of of my communication around here is done through PM, emails.  But hey, let's keep this going.  You get to feed your narcissism while I get to hone my sarcasm - win/win if you ask me.  Of course it will take some thicker skin on your part.

So rather than make it personal, lets just keep it up for entertainment value.  Enjoy your lunch Al. 
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Reply #5 - Sep 24th, 2013 at 4:29pm
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MT -

Typically I'm wearing long pants on portages due to foliage overgrowth & the fact that I am highly allergic to poison ivy.  Incidentally, there is one little known BENEFIT to being allergic to poison ivy.  If you happen to have planters' warts on your feet, dermatologists might suggest that you actually walk BAREFOOT down the portage path.  Yes, you will likely catch poison ivy but there is a better than 50% chance that you will also get rid of your planters' warts as your body recovers from the poison ivy.  I once had thirty of the damn things on my feet; THAT was how I got rid of them!

Re: lymes disease, I'm not sure how many cases can be attributed to time spent in the Q or the BWCA.  I'd be interested in hearing any facts or figures on that one.  I went into the Q this past August w/a good friend from NJ who caught the disease in NJ & was just recovering from the stuff.  It's very prevalent out east &, to listen to him, it's really bad news stuff.  Catch the symptoms early and deal with them or go through hell... those appear to be your choices. 

I've never had problems w/ticks in the Q beyond the middle of July.  They are particularly bad in the spring & then they seem to tail off & virtually disappear by that time.  Plucked 13 of the little beggars off of me after walking that long portage from Yeh into Lonely Lake one June.  You get a bit further north in the province, however, & they don't exist.  My understanding is that they are NOT present at all in Woodland Caribou Park.  Of course, with global warming, who knows how long THAT circumstance will last.

Most campsites I've visited in the Q have been relatively free of poison ivy so I walk about freely in shorts (sometimes in less than that).  On the other hand, I exercise a bit more care when I trot back into the woods, trowel in hand.  There are some places on your body where you simply do not want to catch poison ivy... regardless of the presence of warts.

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Reply #6 - Sep 24th, 2013 at 6:53pm
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OK. I don't expect anyone to read the technical stuff in this article but clicking on the maps to expand them and seeing how science expects Lyme disease to spread in the coming years (as a result of climate change) may be of interest.

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Reply #7 - Sep 24th, 2013 at 6:56pm
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...and here's one more dealing with the life cycle of deer ticks. From something I read, September seems to the best time of year for avoiding ticks.

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Reply #8 - Sep 24th, 2013 at 9:04pm
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Phoenix wrote on Sep 24th, 2013 at 6:53pm:
OK. I don't expect anyone to read the technical stuff in this article ... (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)


Thanks for trying to raise the level of discussion in this thread, Phoenix!

I did read the technical stuff, and while the authors provide an interesting scenario, I think they overstate the reliability of their forecasts. (blah blah blah ... predict the current situation with an accuracy over 89% (P<0.0001) ... blah blah blah).

In all computer modeling (been there done that) you start with a big computer model of the area you're dealing with. This model includes hundreds, maybe thousands of adjustable constants (fudge factors). The first thing you do is to adjust these fudge factors so that the model generates data consistent with the current facts (today's data and usually a few years of recent history). This is called "history matching" - with hundreds of fudge factors to fiddle with, it's usually fairly straightforward to get your model to agree with what you already know. This is *not* the same as predicting anything (and fwiw is a serious problem with global warming models). Just because the authors have an okay history match, it doesn't mean their model is correct, it just means their model *could be* close to correct, and there could be other combinations of fudge factors or other basic (but different) computer models that could also give a good match. Just sayin' !

But yeah, Lyme disease is not something to be taken lightly, and checking for ticks should be an important part of everyone's bedtime ritual in canoe country.
  
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Reply #9 - Sep 24th, 2013 at 9:16pm
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A well published scientist told me that by the year 2000 a large part of Florida would be under water.  That was in 1990.  He told me all the models predicted it.  You are old enough to remember when the threat was the polar ice caps were going to melt and the oceans were going to rise.
  
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