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The BTC forum can be about anything politics included.
If someone doesn't want to engage on subjects that are controversial, they don't have to click-on the subject.

Sometimes the title can be mis-leading, but a quick look pretty well tells you if it's for you or not.
I still fail to understand why people are offended when the read a forum subject they don't improve of. Like cable TV, take a quick peek and then "turn the channel" if you find the content offensive.

I suspect in some cases and it's been described that way, it's like a bad car wreck that you slow down to see initially and then cringe with regret when the view offends your sensibilities.

  IF it "bleeds" over into the other forums, the moderators have the responsibility/option to set the guilty parties straight. up

BillConner wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 5:01pm:


Bottom right hand corner where it says Forum Jump. Scroll down until you see Back to Civilization*
You need to opt in to view/participate.

HighnDry wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 9:27pm:


I think you need something like 8 posts and 5 bucks to place out pay to play status. What anyone does with that information is up to them. Inuk mileage may vary.



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Wait, ahhhhhmmmm. OOh! OOOH! I think I got this one! Part of the reason this forum is seen differently by different people is, in a very real way, all my fault.

It's in the same place it always was except I doubt there is any official reference to it anymore if you didn't opt in. For a while, just the title of the current thread being visible generated complaints so that only lasted for a month or two. By that time BTC was hated so passionately that even the post that explained where it went is now invisible and the invitation to access was by request only was removed after a few months of no requests either way.

I get it but I don't. Even a few folks that complained about it the loudest wanted access to it. No one else really requested access after the initial rush of maybe two dozen people and there is really only a handful that actually ever say anything so no biggie. I'm a bit of a couch politics junky ... so if anyone wants to play (and it is basically politics only now) another opinion is always welcome. If anyone want's in, let me know. Change your mind, I'll be glad to make it disappear for you again. Participating members have the (MTNR) designation above their picture on the left. As I recall, posts in that forum are not included your post count and it's not cliquey at all IMO.

And for what it's worth, an open mind and/or thick skin is a plus everywhere.



I always wanted QJ to resemble a real trip so here are three things to keep in mind.

1- You guys all know there is a BW portage database on QJ with more entries than the Q database - right?

2- I think it was ten years ago that I first began asking for donations. I wanted to call it quits on the forum and was looking for an excuse to do so. Since then, I have considered this forum to be YOUR forum. Be the change YOU want to see or shut up and paddle damn it!

3- About 30 years ago, as I paddled out at the end of a particularly challenging trip for me (at the time) using "never again, never again, never again" as cadence for every stroke of the paddle for miles 'n miles before the take-out....... I haven't missed a year since but for those few hours, you couldn't have paid me enough to do the same thing again.

Are there any former members of the CCBB listserve left? I loved that forum and I still kind-of miss it. To this day I'm not exactly sure what killed it. I miss the solotripping forum too and will confess being a little bitter but I do kinda understand why that one went away. There are other forums that have come and gone. I started working on a QJ forum after the CCBB got hacked and remained broken for a while. Timing is important too.

Bottom line - the basics should be common knowledge by now but I will agree that no one on QJ falls all over themselves welcoming new folks to QJ.


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What a great line! And thanks for mentioning something I had forgotten all about YB. All I know for sure is this is a lot more interesting than discussing big boy pants again. (Oh c'mon. It's gotta be funny to someone. If you ain't flying you probably ain't trying hard enough.)

Jimbo wrote on Oct 21^st, 2013 at 9:56pm:


Maybe we should change, but we won't. We will listen to you, but we won't really listen.

Proscription of personal attacks is not a "theoretical" norm. It is an explicit rule for (afaik) all discussion boards like QJ. In QJ's case, the user agreement for these forums states "You also agree not to post any material which is inaccurate, defamatory, abusive, vulgar, hateful, ..." This was discussed at length a couple of years ago, and led to the quarantining of BTC. Things seemed to have been pretty clean around here since then. Til now.

IMO the exchange earlier in this thread between PJ and MT was clearly defamatory and abusive, and should have been deleted by the moderators from the first post. At the time, I figured maybe people were off canoeing and this accidentally slipped by. But your post has me concerned that things haven't really changed, and we're headed towards more BTC-type attacks in the canoe boards, not just in the religion-and-politics threads.

As a great American statesman once said "I have seen the enemy, and he is us."

Relax Joe, whats wrong with a little good old fashioned defamatory abuse to stir the pot a little? Besides, when all was said and done there may have been some benefit. Sometimes what is needed is to grab someone, shake them, smack them around a little and then throw a bucket of cold water in their face before they "get it" (unfortunately the election is over  ).