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Re: Jigging for Walleye
Reply #10 - Oct 24th, 2013 at 3:05am
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good stuff so far!

i like jigging from deep water and casting into the shallows. i like rubber worm styles (with a little twisty tail) for stuff up to 15 ft deep and then deeper i go with a fluke style plastic. twisty tail grubs work also. i cast out a bit and then let the jig slowly glide to the bottom. with worms, less is more when it comes to action. you want it to wiggle and squirm. flukes im a little more erratic and exaggerated in the movement. i also use monofiliment and when dealing with water more than 15 ft deep with mono, you have line stretch so i figure my rod only imparts about 1/2 of the action on the lure that the tip shows. i use spinning gear. i use my finger on the line as MT advises. i rarely ever go above 1/8 oz jigs. i modify the plastic size to change the fall rate. flukes fall fastest, bigger ribbon tails slower. on rare occasions i use 1/4 oz jigs, but thats only on the baitcaster with braid. too heavy for spinning gear for my taste.

you can do it with a baitcaster too, and i do, when its a heavier jig/bigger lure. i palm the reel and put my pointer finger out over the line and give it a slight bend.

and confidence is a huge part of jigging. a common mistake is trying too hard. start with just a few plastics. i like worms. my brothers swear by twister tail grubs. get a couple confidence colors, white and chartreuse come to mind.
  
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Re: Jigging for Walleye
Reply #11 - Oct 24th, 2013 at 3:12am
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Kerry wrote on Oct 24th, 2013 at 1:46am:
how do you do this action off the bottom when you're drifting in a canoe?  I'm not talking about being pushed along by a serious wind but even a lightish breeze and the line is dragging.  So how do I know where my jig is relative to the bottom as I'm drifting along (by feel?) and how to control the action while drifting - just give it a snap or two and let drop pretty much as you describe when the boat is still?


rule of thumb:
more wind, more weight. thinner lines have less drag so the need for more weight isnt as large. when its too windy i shore fish the wind blown side
  
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Re: Jigging for Walleye
Reply #12 - Oct 24th, 2013 at 8:29am
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Kerry wrote on Oct 22nd, 2013 at 8:04pm:
So I’m sitting right where they are and attempting to do what they’re doing and still catching nothing.  I’m starting to think, “There’s more to this than meets the eye (excuse the pun.)”  Then after they’ve left I try again.  This time there is a slight breeze so my boat is drifting and I’m wondering, “How do I know where my jig is?  My line is no longer dropping straight down and as I drift,  how do I know how much line to let out?”  and not only that but as I drift, how do I bounce the jig since I’m in motion?

Jigging while drifting is my favorite. I normally employ a spinner on a 1/4 oz with a twister or another type who's name I forget type tail.

Depending on the speed/direction/structure you are dealing with... A slow drift means you reel in less. A stronger wind means you .. just jig. The movement of the canoe replaces reeling in. That's optimal as far as I'm concerned.

An even stronger wind means bigger motion with a lower aspect with time to let it drop 4,5 6 feet per second at whatever depth.

Near the bottom is the rule of thumb. I count and imagine what the bottom looks like to my jig. Whoop! Ahhhh. Whoop woop! Ahhhh. Walleyes do indeed like the Ahhh moments and if I get a few short hit misses I'll add a treble stinger but normally they just commit and I react. Or maybe I commit and they react. I forget.
  
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Re: Jigging for Walleye
Reply #13 - Oct 24th, 2013 at 1:02pm
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Kerry

Study what Maximus Jaximus has contributed.....all good stuff.

But what might benefit you the most is what db has suggested. The spin jig is a blast to fish, is quite deadly, mostly snag resistant and needs very little attention to detail to fish correctly. Plus the fish tend to strike it a bit harder than a regular jig. It would be ideal for use with a baitcaster as well.

The "jig spinner" may be unknown to you. Here is a pic...just attach the jig.
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Kingfisher is a big proponent of the jig spinner (also called a safety pin spinner).

BTW......you can still connect with what your lure is doing with a baitcaster but instead of using your forefinger use the side of your thumb. The line will just glide along and your connection is still there.

The jig spinner works exceptionally well without lots of jigging motions. Sometimes less is more......that is not to say you can't employ lift and drop motions but just drifting along will produce lots of action......plus the lure is very snag resistant and will produce quality fish.
  
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Reply #14 - Oct 24th, 2013 at 4:02pm
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A few additional thoughts concerning jig spinners......

White curly tail grubs and silver blades will catch lots of fish......but I am partial to copper or gold colored blades. I also like to remove the cheap swivels and replace them with ball bearing swivels.......they spin much freer.

Also be sure to check your knots. You are tying to a double wire and the physics are not so good. Light line is a no-no unless you first add my favorite light line connection, a fas snap.

As per weight.....if they are shallow and in the weeds 1/8 works well....15 ft use a 1/4 and 3/8 or 1/2 if searching the deep. If the wind is up and your drifting don't be afraid of a little heavier set up. I like a 45 degree angle while drifting. More than that and its time to go heavier. Less than that then go lighter. You should be able to lift and drop and have some slack line (indicating your lure is on bottom) rather easily. Your target window is 12" to 18" off bottom.

I am also a big fan of underspin type jigs. Buckeye brand offers premium hooks and ball bearing swivels.
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Re: Jigging for Walleye
Reply #15 - Oct 24th, 2013 at 5:07pm
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Fantastic guys, great advice all around. 

Once again, MT, there's stuff you talk that has no interest for me but when you get to fishing, I gladly lend you my ears.  Thanks much.  Your descriptions are really helpful (in fact I'm going to cut and paste your posts here for future reference), I'm getting a pretty good visualization of what this jigging process looks like and can't wait to try it out next summer.

Those Buckeye spinners that you recommended, MT, look very attractive.  Am I assuming correctly that they essentially work the same as the Jig Spinner, except, of course, that the jig in the former is integrated.  If the Buckeye's have better quality swivels then I'd be inclined to just go with them in a variety of weights.

And by the way folks (religion and politics be damned  Roll Eyes) this is why I love this site!
  
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Reply #16 - Oct 24th, 2013 at 6:13pm
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How do you know where your jig is? Critical question. Partly experience. Partly feel. Partly analysis. The experience part you'll have to get yourself.

Feel. If you never tick the bottom and feel the jig bump, you probably are not close to the bottom. Slow down. Use a heavier jig. Use lighter line. Or some combination.

Analysis: A little high school geometry. What angle does your line enter the water? How deep is the canoe (I never carry a depth finder in the backcountry, so an educated guess is needed here)? With those combinations, how much line do you need to hit the bottom? When you cast, the jig hits the water and you tighten the line between the rod tip and the water, the jig will swing back toward the canoe rather than drop straight down. If you think the jig is directly below where it landed and it did not sink on a loose line, you're wrong. This is where your finger on the line is important as fish often hit on the initial fall, but you can feel a strike with pretty slack line -- if you are paying attention.

Using the guidelines above, you should have a good idea where your jig is, how close to the bottom it is, whether casting from deep to shallow or drifting along.

Many tournament bass anglers fish jigs on bait casting equipment all the time.
  
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Re: Jigging for Walleye
Reply #17 - Oct 24th, 2013 at 7:23pm
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I like to drift with a jig set-up. I like those stand-up type jigs. I use braid but keep the drag light enough I don't jerk the jig out when I get a light bite.
Finger on line really telegraphs when your using braid.
I know I'm tickling bottom by watching rod tip.
It will literaly vibrate when your hitting bottom, next to no movement if your just trolling.

For a little flash or casting from shore, I'm partial to the Blakemore Road Runner jigs.
Reel in as slow as you can and you'll be near bottom.

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Re: Jigging for Walleye
Reply #18 - Oct 25th, 2013 at 12:18am
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@MT, you're in my head! we think too much alike sometimes

before this past years trip i stumbled along a heap of mismarked jigs at scheels. i felt dirty as i paid $12 for a normally $60 pile of northland jigs, but i couldnt help it.

i brought with me on the trip 2 jigs that were somewhat new to me. the northland whistler jig and the northland thumper.

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the whistlers worked really well for jigging for walleyes and the thumpers seemed to be pike magnets. i used flukes on the thumpers as they were a bit heavier and jigged them off of a deep ledge from shore mainly.

i too carry safety pin spinners for a couple reasons. 1st, they are nice search tools as they are quite difficult to snag. 2nd, they are great for areas with pike as they tend to be highly resistant to bite offs.

spinners can also be used to slow the drop of your jig. a colorado blade (wider and cupped more) has a lot of drag whereas a willow blade (thinner more streamlined) has less. so if you find yourself out of lighter jigs and ones you have seem too heavy, tie on a colorado spinner and a bit larger plastic.

as much as i love silver, pike love it more. i carry gold spinners, just like MT.

i find drop rate to be the most important part of jigging. im partial to a gliding drop. i dont like fast fall rates. id rather it fall slow and flutter than dart to the bottom.
  
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Re: Jigging for Walleye
Reply #19 - Oct 25th, 2013 at 4:55am
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Jaximus, I am also partial to using Nortlhland Whistler jigs in gold or pink. I tip with 3 inch twister tails or Impulse tails. Or Gulp minnows in 4 in size. Sometimes Slimer leeches. When not in the Q ... I will go with live crawlers, leeches or minnows.

I used to go much lighter and use 1/4 oz but I have had greater success with going heavier. 3/4 oz. is what I use  most often. Unconventional ... Yes ... But proven. Bigger walleyes and it is a lot easier to keep your jig vertical when fishing deeper flats or drop offs up to  25 to 30 ft.

The propeller really displaces water and attracts eyes especially in the stained big water lakes I like to fish.

I usually Lindy rig crawler or minnow  harnesses or troll hard plastic lures to locate walleye schools and then jig once I  find where they are.

I use both mono and braids but the last few years I have been using braid. Low stretch and thinner diameter braid allows me to feel the bite better than mono. I still like  8 lb Trilene XL but I have to admit braid is hard to beat for me.

Good fishin'
  
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