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Reply #50 - Mar 13th, 2014 at 9:05pm
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Did you notice the inline product? Stick a large swim bait on the weedless set up and cast it into downed trees on a river with 50lb braid. How cool would that be?.....Ka-pow! It would be more like a cage fight in the octagon than a fish fight.

Man, I need to go fishing bad.
  
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Reply #51 - Mar 13th, 2014 at 9:26pm
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MT, definitely get a new therapist.  However, don't use mine 'cause you and me are in the same boat.  I have my eye on those weedless jigs as well.  I'll probably buy a bunch of stuff from these guys.  Their jig heads look pretty nice and the swim baits and ... Yoiks!  I haven't been at this for more than 5 years and I've already got more stuff I'll never use than I know what to do with.  But hey, it's Made in the USA so I'll be doing somebody's economy some good (though definitely not mine!)
  
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Reply #52 - Mar 14th, 2014 at 12:11am
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mastertangler wrote on Mar 13th, 2014 at 9:05pm:
Man, I need to go fishing bad.


Hey MT, I can help with that. 

prouboy
  
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Reply #53 - Mar 14th, 2014 at 3:14am
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A few thoughts on these products.......

Note the "R" bend on the safety spinners. This means you must tie directly, no snaps or snap swivels as they will be running up the line on occasion and causing the dreaded "hassle". And since this is salt water application that means thicker, beefier wire. Which in turn means using a thicker mono or some sort of braid.

Remember that when using mono it likes to tie to things of similar diameter or smaller. So if using mono I'm thinking Minimum 12lb test and feeling even more comfortable with 14lb. Kind of thick line unless your thinking straight fluorocarbon. If you are still desirous of using lighter mono (say 10lb) with a little bit thicker tie off like what might be found on the safety spinners in question >  the tie fast tool ties the gryp knot which absolutely excels in tying mono to larger diameters.

So I say proceed with caution. Get a pack........see how well the connections are made keeping in mind that no snap should be employed. I would venture that at least 10% of your casts will result in the snap in a different place than you want if you decide to employ one.

The in-line is likely equipped with at least a 5/0 hook and that means plenty of muscle and a rod with backbone to drive the weedless rig not only through the plastic lure but into the fishes boney mouth. Braid would be helpful and so would a bait caster as the whole set up is likely to be a bit weighty and tiring to use with a spinning set-up IMO. But it looks like a winner to me with a big fat swim bait and the right rod/reel.

The jig heads are a no go for fresh water. The wire is just way overkill. Thick, thick, thick..........There are lots of choices for premium fresh water jig heads. Have you checked out the cobra jigheads? Fairly big wide gap hook........a musky/pike application but in the smaller sizes and a 5" grub behind the spinner jig it just be be a winner on the bigger walleyes. Check them out.......Killer combos.
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Reply #54 - Mar 15th, 2014 at 1:51pm
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With R-bend safety pin spinners as well as spin baits it seems obvious that I'd want to tie directly for the reasons you mentioned.  I fish with a baitcaster and use braid so I'm pretty much set up for fishing the junk, weed lines and such.  That being said, my trips to WCPP are in late summer so I'm mostly fishing deep.
But this is all great information, MT.  So, now, jig heads.  How do you choose em?  My only experience using jig heads are the cheap ones you get at Bass Pro where the colors flake off and the hooks bend out with every cast.  But then is that just the way jigs are?  What constitutes a quality jig head?  There are so many variables in terms of shape – ball head, football head, painted or not, plus different sizes of hooks and gauges etc. etc.  Those Cobra jigs you recommended look excellent but seem to be designed for Musky/Pike/Lake Trout.  How do you choose them and what do you look for in quality jig heads?  Obviously the application will make a difference but I’m interested in hearing what you or others have to say about it.
  
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Reply #55 - Mar 15th, 2014 at 2:49pm
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Fishing deep in late summer is a given.....or is it? I had always thought so having spent a week for many years on Lake Minitaki by Sioux Lookout Ontario at a fish camp. We caught walleyes as deep as 40ft and often caught bigger ones of up to 8lbs speed trolling 20 down over 40ft of water. But my education continues.........This past summer I fished a lot of 28ft/32ft, fast and with big cranks. It seemed that the majority of fish were shallower and wanted things slower and smaller (as per KF's tendencies). So, I will take a bit more notice of water temps, even in August and try and be more flexible.

As per the jig heads........note the thinner wire on the Cobra jigs. They are a finesse style pike bait and are just fine for bigger walleye. Note that 1/2 ounce is the lightest size but add a 6" reaper or Kalin mugumbo grub and a reasonably slow fall could be achieved and 20ft of water fished well. Add some wind and 3/4oz or more might be needed. These jigs are tops in my book.

Jig heads and their shape........your a smart guy Kerry just consider the physics. Football shaped jigs go through the water with much in the way of variables due to their shape. But set them on the bottom and twitch the rod and they will "roll" back and forth and side to side. Add a plastic crayfish with floating claws and you have a very realistic presentation indeed for smallmouth bass. Then there are the "gliding" style heads. Flat bottoms so they do not tend to plummet straight down but rather glide. Charlie Brewers "slider" jigs do this very nicely and if you are fishing finesse shallow they are exceptional for a slow drop. The cobra jigs are also a slider type jig and with the tapered nose fairly snag resistant especially in weeds and timber (less so in rock). Round is all around (pun intended Grin) a good choice.

Premium jigs are commonplace these days. Abundant choices are at Bass pro, Cabelas and Tackle warehouse.  It used to be that jigs were super cheap. Not so much anymore as the companies have figured out we are willing to pay for quality (just ask Owner Hook co where hooks can be as high as $2 a piece.) Look for black nickel premium hooks.....some manufactures will also boast about their paint finishes. Paint is less important than you might think......I have caught plenty on unpainted jig heads and a few chips probably is not going to hurt much. I do like that little bit of sheen that a paint gives however.......think about water critters, they usually have that protective slime which gives a little sheen. Am I overthinking? Maybe, maybe not Wink.

My philosophy is basically that little fish will eat big lures more often than big fish will eat little lures. I am not interested in driving 2 days to catch 16" walleyes all day. I can do that at home. So I upsize my baits and generally fish deeper during summer to target bigger fish.......but guess what? I still catch plenty of little guys anyway.

(But Mr Big hit in 15ft last trip so keep an open mind << My internal argument continues  Grin)
  
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Reply #56 - Mar 15th, 2014 at 3:25pm
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Thanks for all this MT.  Very helpful.
I found the same thing this past summer, Trout were more at 30/35 feet than 50.  I've mentioned the Fish Hawk before but I found it a very useful tool not only for getting temperatures (readings every 5 feet up to 300 hundred feet) but also for helping to determine at what depth I'm running.
Needless to say, I'm getting cranked up (badda boom!)) for this spring already.  I'm planning a couple of short trips in June and July and that will mostly be for large and smallmouth.
  
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Reply #57 - Mar 15th, 2014 at 7:20pm
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Cabela's Fisherman Series Wide Gap Round Jigheads are currently on sale.
1/4 oz.  Reg:$6.19      Sale:$4.49  (qty 10)
  
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Reply #58 - Apr 4th, 2014 at 8:12pm
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Picked up the slayer spin arms today that Kerry had pointed the way on.......they are quite impressive IMO. The wire is super stiff but not thick, interesting.

I like the "original" size best for walleye use. What I thought was odd was that the same size blades are used on all 3 sizes and it is just the arm shaft lengths which differ. Blades are a little on the larger side which suits me just fine.

I also picked up one of their in-lines. Very nice lure.....not overly bulky like I had imagined. Hook is a 5/0 like I figured but high quality and not an overly thick wire. Tie off is again premium quality, very stiff wire but not overly thick. This would be an excellent presentation in timber infested river situations since it is weedless......or perhaps letting it fall into pockets of deep weeds where bigger than you might think walleye hide during the day. Good stuff.
  
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Reply #59 - Apr 4th, 2014 at 8:27pm
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Glad to hear the quality's there.  I won't pick up my order until my friend brings it back across the border (shhhh) in May.  He'll also be bringing back a bunch of those good looking jig heads you talked me into (well you didn't exactly talk me into it, all you had to do was show me a picture - oooh, sparkly!)
  
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