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lets talk line
Jan 26th, 2014 at 8:40am
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so, topic of line, brand, application, presentation, fish types..

ive always been pretty hardcore in the school of thought that says lighter line is always better because it allows for more action from your lure, its harder for fish to see and feel, and id rather have more bites and lose a few than have fewer bites but catch more.

im talking spinning gear here, 7 ft rod, used in an all purpose method, jigs, cranks, you name it.

i grew up using trilene xt.. never had any real issues but recently have switched to suffix seige, no other reason than brand loyalty..

when i fish my local area of central wisconsin, lakes its 4lb and rivers i go 6lb for the abrasion resistance from the rocks. shore fishing i tend to err on the side of 6lb whereas from a canoe/kayak i can stay 4lb and still be comfortable.

im scared to try fluorocarbon... its would be new to me and i dont really like change. not sure if i want the stiffer line and weaker knots for the transparency and abrasion resistance qualities you gain.

im thinking 6 or 8lb mono...

convince me on a brand and pound test for jigging and trolling medium to small cranks
  
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Re: lets talk line
Reply #1 - Jan 26th, 2014 at 1:29pm
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I've been using Stren Original in Lo-Vis Green 6 lb. mono for years. I always spool my lightweight rig with it, which gets most of the action. I have not been disappointed. As far as toughness goes, I landed this 45" NP last year with my lightweight rod using this line with a 1/4 oz jig at the end. At one point in the battle the line was through its mouth.

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for my heavier rod, I'm undecided, but usually go for something in the 10-12 lb range that has some "extra tough" type of label.
  
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Reply #2 - Jan 26th, 2014 at 6:37pm
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For most canoe trips, I carry 3 rods/reels. One is a 6' baitcaster, spooled with 10 lb. Another is a 7.5' med/heavy spinning rig spooled w/ 6 lb. I also carry a 5.5' ultralight spooled with 6 lb. I also carry an extra spool of 6 lb. All of my line is extra limp. I use either stern or Berkeley, whichever is cheaper.

The baitcaster is used strictly for trolling, mostly for Lakers. Its got the backbone to land them without over stressing them.
  
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Reply #3 - Jan 26th, 2014 at 7:14pm
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Meself I always have at least two spools for each reel I use. One spooled up with Seaguar InvisX 6 or 8 lb Flouro. The other is spooled with 20lb Spiderwire Stealth to which I add a 4 foot length of Seaguar Flourocarbon Leader material in 8 or 10lb. using a uni-to uni knot connection.
I use the Flouro for crank baits - just a little bit of stretch, great knot strength, and not so much stretch that I lose feel of the bait. I use the braid for topwater, jigging and cranking too.
For me, mono is a sorry choice for line. I hate using it after having used flouro or braid, because you have absolutely no feel for the bait, fish or bottom whatsoever. It's like fishing with a cooked spaghetti noodle. I think people like mono because it's forgiving on spinning reels, and its cheap.
Seaguar InvisX is absolutely the best flouro I've found for spinning reels, and if you have a decent reel you won't have any problems from stiff line or memory. Crappy reels tend to be less line forgiving, tend to twist line as it comes into and off of the spool.
For me it's all about feel. Really adds to the fishing fun and success. Fishing is my only hobby, I don't waste money on tee times and golf balls, so I'll glady spend a bit more on fishing line to enhance my experience.
FYI- the extra money you'll spend on these lines will be repaid by the fact that you can keep the braid on your spool for several years without it degrading due to age or sunlight.
You might break off and have to replace the flouro, but it wont' degrade in sunlight like mono either.

Monofilament line degrades with time, sunlight, temperature changes, and worst of all, it actually absorbs water and gets softer. The longer it's been wet, the more it'll stretch, the easier it will nick and break. Modern chemistry has moved beyond this 1950's technology, IMO.

Mono is dead Wink
  
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Reply #4 - Jan 26th, 2014 at 8:50pm
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Whit, I guess you don't like mono!

I happen to agree. I like braided line because it doesn't stretch, is so much stronger for diameter, rolls up easy on your spinning reel, and as you write, I get a better feel. 

Also, it's tough enough to not worry if you run through heavy vegetation, or bounce on rocks.  I never use leaders or swivels in canoe country.  I will accept a few bite-offs for the improved action and feel.  I tie my line to the lure, using a knot that provides a little loop which adds to the action of crankbait.  Once a learned a knot or two, using braided line is as simple as mono.  I have added a sharp sissors or clippers as I can't bite through it like mono. Smiley

When I notice the first foot or two of line showing some wear, I simply cut it off and keep going. 

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Reply #5 - Jan 26th, 2014 at 9:38pm
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Puckster wrote on Jan 26th, 2014 at 8:50pm:
  I tie my line to the lure, using a knot that provides a little loop which adds to the action of crankbait.  prouboy


Do you know the name of this knot? I've heard using it is the way to go with crankbaits but I don't know the knot.  I think I tied one accidentally once...  I use what I learned back around 9-10 years old, and I think it's called a blood knot.

For line I use flourocarbon and Spiderwire Stealth. 2 rods both 7 feet.  One med/heavy, the other medium. In a canoe I like the longer rod. I used mono for years but the rocks do a number on it pretty quick when trolling cranks.

That's an impressive northern BTW. I caught a big one that was light colored like that.  It went around the same size and I also was using 6 lb. test and we couldn't get it in the boat (no net). Too big to grab over the neck and I didn't want to go under the jaw because my crankbait was somewhere deep in his throat. He was a mean fish and got the best of us.

  
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Reply #6 - Jan 26th, 2014 at 9:40pm
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When I head into backcountry I only carry one rod and reel (bait caster) so it has to be to be a compromise  - whether I'm casting, trolling, jigging, whether bass, walleye, trout or pike, whatever, it's the same rig.  Over the past couple of years I've been using Suffix 832 and I love it.  I use 30 lb not because I need the strength (although when my lure gets buried in junk it's nice) but because that's a diameter that I can tie easily (the same diameter as 8 lb mono.)  I also don't use leaders but the 832 is very resistant to bite off (I haven't had more than a couple Pike bite me off in the last two years.)  During a 3 week trip I just cut back the abraded line.  But even when it's time to add a new spool I only put on half, which I tie to the remaining unsullied half spool with a double uni.  If you like braid I'd recommend 832.
  
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Reply #7 - Jan 27th, 2014 at 12:07am
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Forgot to say that I like mono. It's all I use. Back to my corner... Cry
  
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Reply #8 - Jan 27th, 2014 at 12:16am
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Old Salt I get outfished about as often as not by my buddy Gnawbone Jack who is a monofilament man from waaay back. Whatever works for a brother! Smiley
  
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Reply #9 - Jan 27th, 2014 at 12:43am
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Kerry wrote on Jan 26th, 2014 at 9:40pm:
If you like braid I'd recommend 832.


i have braid on my baitcasters and i use suffix 832. never was a big fan of power pro and i didnt like the 'flatness' of fireline. have been nothing but happy with suffix 832. maybe ill consider running a mainline braid and using a leader of flouro or mono from there.

@whit, i was reading about it last night and everything you said about mono was pretty spot on with the water absorption and stretch. i guess it worked for me and never really thought/cared much about the chemistry.

this is good discussion! cant wait to hear MT's take
  
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