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Reply #10 - Feb 11th, 2014 at 4:57pm
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The danger of using a lip grabber is that if they are not quite ready you can accidentally break their lower jaw if they start thrashing.
  
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Reply #11 - Feb 11th, 2014 at 6:03pm
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ST when I lost my large northern it was because the lip gripper failed.  I had never used the gripper until I had the large northern on.  My son had never used it at all either so in fairness to him that may have been the reason it didn't work.  My son had the northern by the lower lip.  When he went to pick the fish up it did not clear the side of the canoe by about 8 inches.  My son is 6' 3" and he was kneeling in the canoe.  He held the fish for a second or two and then it started to thrash and fell off.  If he had pulled the fish to the center of the canoe it would had fallen in the canoe which might of been a bad scene.  The northern was still hooked and I brought it back to the canoe, but we were unable to land it.  I think the first gripper by Berkley had a bad design.  I have purchased a second gripper and have had better luck with it.  One problem with the gripper is that it can cut a hole in the skin of the lower jaw. 
I have used the method described by Jammar and it works well in some situations.  If you are fishing with a Rapala and you try Jammar's method, your hand and the Rapala can be very close together.  The other drawback to Jammar's method is if you have to use a jaw spreader.

If you use my method correctly you do not touch the gills.  In fact you do not want to touch the gills because they are very sharp and will cut your hand up.  This may be stating the obvious, but everyone should have a jaw spreader and needle nose pliers in their tackle box.  If you don't use these you are over stressing your fish.  If you use my method correctly the fish never touches the canoe and is only touch by your hand which by the way is wet.  Dry hands are bad for fish.
The worse thing you can do is put the fish on the bottom of your canoe and then remove the lure.  Nothing good happens to a fish while it is on the bottom on your canoe.

One other thing to add.  If the lure is deep in the fish, consider cutting the line and pulling the lure through the back of the gills.  Actually cutting the line is generally a good idea and can make getting the fish off a lot easier in some situations.  Sure you have to retie, but after catching a good size northern cutting off 6 feet of line is a good idea anyways.

My method does not work as well with walleyes because of where the dorsal fin is located.  With walleyes I just grab the walleye and squeeze.  With walleyes you have to have a backward motion before you grab the fish to push the dorsal fin down.  Walleyes are much easier to grab  than northerns and trout.  On very big walleyes Jammar's method works well.
With bass grabbing the lower jaw works best.
  
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Reply #12 - Feb 11th, 2014 at 6:19pm
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I tried a lip grabber a few years ago and had too much trouble with it.  I was reading a post somewhere about landing northerns and one guy posted he lipped them.  Then he posted a picture of his son (I think) lipping a > 24” northern.  The kid was wearing a glove.  He explained that it was a standard hardware store leather glove that had been treated with water proofing.  For the last 3 years I have been using a glove on my left hand to land fish.  I use the gloves around camp for chores and cooking.  To water proof my gloves I use SNO_SEAL. (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links); I work as much SNO_SEAL into the gloves as I can and use heat from the kitchen stove to help get more to soak into the leather. The gloves stay dry inside until they go in over the cuff. Small sish I grab from the top and no gil plate gets to me. I don’t lip northern. Large fish I reach under like has been previously described.  For the last 3 years I have come home from my trips with no cuts on my hands and I loose less fish.
  
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Reply #13 - Feb 11th, 2014 at 8:09pm
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Westwood, if a person is solo and has to do the landing himself the best way then is to grab over the neck and under the gill plate, lower the rod, grab the jaw spreader and lock open the jaw, then use a long nose pliers to remove the lure. 

You should do this in the water next to the boat.  After the spreader is removed you can then hoist it for a measurement (although that's tough to do one handed).

I've heard of people notching their paddles or gunnels to measure fish with.  I'm just curious because I'm often solo and want to do everthing possible for the fish to survive. Years ago while solo I had a 40 inch fish go belly up after releasing and it was not a good feeling.

  
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Reply #14 - Feb 11th, 2014 at 9:04pm
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Thanks for all the well thought out responses.
I'll remember them if/when I specificly target NP.
The times I used my orange grippers, the NP was ready as Westwood described.
I just used the grip while the fish was in the water, securing with my left hand while I worked the hook loose with my right.
Barbless hooks seem to release easily and that has to be better for the fish and you.

Tom T brings up an interesting question on how your measure/ take pic of a nice fish, if you don't want to lift it out of water period?
Tandem is one thing, but solo, it's much harder.

MP, I bring leather gloves for camp chores and have some Sno-Seal. I might try that next trip. I wear "throw-way" kevlar gloves at work, so I'm bringing a few lefties to see how they work.
  
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Reply #15 - Feb 11th, 2014 at 9:43pm
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i use the bare hand behind the gill plates method to secure the fish, then under the jaw to lift/hold/pictures.  the gill rakers are pretty terrible on those big fish so the backs of your fingers usually get maimed bare handed, but thats life. our biggest pike have come out of the pickeral narrows while trolling past the point before the entrance to the maria portage. theres a big cabbage weedbed there in 10-15 ft of water. otherwise we pick up nice pike will jigging for walleyes on mid lake structure.

i think im going to target pike a bit more this next trip. i have a pretty large arsenal of muskie baits (i live in wisconsin) so ill bring a few along with my muskie rod. some depth raiders trolled around some of the big islands on oriana might pick up a few lake trout also!
  
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Reply #16 - Feb 11th, 2014 at 10:25pm
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Tom T.
I use a metal yard stick to measure my fish.  I just tape the yard stick to one of the cross support.  When I don't need the yard stick, I just take it off.  When travelling, I put the yard stick in my rod case.  I plan on putting an extension on the yard stick because every year a fish is too long for the yard stick.  Your method of keeping the fish in the water while getting the lure out is wonderful, but sometimes the lure is just too deep in the fish to use that method.

It is always a good feeling to see the fish swim away after you release it.  If I kill a fish for whatever reason, that memory stays with me for years.  When you kill a fish, it is almost like you broke the contract you made with mother nature.
  
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Reply #17 - Feb 11th, 2014 at 10:55pm
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Westwood, thanks for the reply.  I have a cloth yard long measuring tape that I could  secure to the cross brace.  This would be quicker/better than laying the fish in the bottom of the boat and extending a tape measure on it.

And yes, killing fish unintentionally is not good for the psyche.

  
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Reply #18 - Feb 11th, 2014 at 11:24pm
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TomT wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 10:55pm:
Westwood, thanks for the reply.  I have a cloth yard long measuring tape that I could  secure to the cross brace.  This would be quicker/better than laying the fish in the bottom of the boat and extending a tape measure on it.

And yes, killing fish unintentionally is not good for the psyche.



I'm thinking of putting this on my rod tube case and then Bungee Bob the case next to my seat (left side).
I rent a canoe, so if you own one, you could probably stick on inside of canoe in a spot that you think would work the best? I would put a clear piece of tough packaging tape over it but inside canoe it probably would be fine.


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Reply #19 - Feb 11th, 2014 at 11:28pm
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Westwood wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 6:03pm:
I have used the method described by Jammar and it works well in some situations.  If you are fishing with a Rapala and you try Jammar's method, your hand and the Rapala can be very close together.  The other drawback to Jammar's method is if you have to use a jaw spreader.


You are exactly right, that happened to me with about 16-17 lb fish and ended up with a Rapala attaching us together, barbs and all. I was mostly due to the fact that I tried to scoop it up while it was still too hot. Never want to do that again! I am much more cautious now even a little afraid when a big one is hooked. I use your method of pinching over the back behind the gills on the smaller fish but I don't have meat hook sized hands, I a smaller fellow. Its tough for me to even spread my grip across the back on those extra large pike and get a firm enough grip. Yes the method I suggest requires an abundance of caution with a huge helping of patience. Unless you are Hulk Hogan, a 25+ lb Northern thrashing in your grip at the end of your arm is battle you are not gonna win.

As far as measuring goes I use a cloth tape from my wife's sewing kit (shhh!). A 48" steel yard stick is too difficult to mount and seems too awkward for me with huge fish.
  
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