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Reply #10 - Mar 7th, 2014 at 5:54am
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pine_knot wrote on Mar 6th, 2014 at 2:44pm:
KF,

I notice the 25 lb leaders come in 15 or 30 foot lengths.  Do you use the entire 15 foot length or cut into smaller pieces?   


I like 8" - 12" leaders. It takes about 15" of material to make a 12" leader. If you screw up a knot (or two) you end up with a 10" or 12" leader or less.

It takes a little practice and patience like learning any new knot with new material. You will make a few mistakes and you will learn from them.
  
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Reply #11 - Mar 7th, 2014 at 1:50pm
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mastertangler wrote on Mar 6th, 2014 at 6:33pm:
Earth to Prouboy.........earth to prouboy......

Did you already buy your yellow line? Yikes......take it back and fast. No "here I am" line allowed while fishing backcountry or near shore. Yellow line is fine when your trying to keep track of offshore trolling spreads but the kiss of death otherwise.

Heres the deal.......get some 30lb green power pro and add a 30lb floro leader of some 2 or 3ft. You need fingerless gloves and plenty of practice to get mono and braid to stick......but if you want to catch 'em that is the accepted method. If the snook are running big then 40lb is the ticket and if big trout are your game then 20 or even 15 is the way to go (I have caught plenty of big trout on 6lb mono before I learned you can't catch them on line that light ).

No yellow line on my boat.......no white T shirts......and no more than 2 consecutive bad words uttered when the line breaks up underneath the mangroves ......."I know it all happened very fast, when you stop shaking you can tie on another hook" Grin


Damn MT, that's EXACTLY why you needed to meet me on day one of y stay down here, and keep me on the straight and narrow!  By the time you come over for a day of chasing reds, (you ARE coming, right??), I'll have green braided line and camo clothing!  But a little rock music coming from the stereo onboard is okay, isn't it? 

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Reply #12 - Mar 7th, 2014 at 6:34pm
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Don't ask why but your reference to rock music and camo triggered a vision of Apocalypse Now.......something about loving the smell of fish guts in the morning. Sure, we can talk about who we have seen in concert......led zeppelin and Zappa were awful live while Queen, Santana and Iggy Pop were amazing.

Going to try and swing it......chomping at the bit to go. If your boat has any size cross the harbor and fish bull and turtle bay. Hit every point that has current. Live sardines put lots of fish in the boat.
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Reply #13 - Mar 7th, 2014 at 8:23pm
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I love the smell of fish guts... and outboard gas/oil exhaust.  Add in some Pink Floyd, and I'm in heaven.


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Reply #14 - Mar 7th, 2014 at 11:10pm
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Kingfisher wrote on Mar 6th, 2014 at 5:58am:
Since I have started using ultra-thin titanium/nickel alloy leaders that are stretchable and highly kink resistant, I don't even consider fishing without a leader. The swivels generally wear out before these leaders ever kink.
If you can tie a trilene knot in fishing line you can tie your own leaders with titanium. It's a little weird to work with at first really quite simple. 25lb test is my fave. I'll have a few leaders at Copia for those who will be there.

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KF -- so you buy your own swivels to make your own leaders, correct?  What type?

I won't be at 'copia, so won't have the advantage of seeing you and the leaders.  But I'm intrigued.  No more bite-offs?  No more lost lures?  Or at least fewer of both.  I like that idea. 

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Reply #15 - Mar 8th, 2014 at 1:24am
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i had been tying green suffix 832 to a cross-lock snap for easy changing of lures.

this past summer i fished with mono while casting cranks around my local waters and didnt have any bite offs.

im thinking ill leave the snap tied on the braid and then use a 3-4 ft piece of mono as a leader to the crank while trolling. i wont have to run the knot through the eyelits because i wont be casting.

for christmas and my birthday i got some more new fishing gear.. go figure.. ive acquired a nice new rod and spinning reel, a bit heavier than my standard stuff, so ill be able to cast/troll cranks on that set up. it might be my primary rod for this year, who knows! that will probably be 8lb mono the whole way
  
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Reply #16 - Mar 8th, 2014 at 2:34am
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It is surprising how many fish one can catch without any bite-offs using straight mono. I have sometimes gone a year or more without getting bit off.

However there are lures with notable exceptions. Jigs get nipped and erratic lures such as spoons often get nipped and consequently I will not use a spoon without a leader.

I lost what I can't help but believe was a pike of a lifetime on Burntside this past summer. Nailed a rather long multi jointed crank. Did she bite me off, rub up against a rock or just break the line with a massive kick of her tail I just don't know. The leader would of been nice and I might of just had quite a pic if I was using the skinny flexible wire KF advocates.

I am of a mixed mindset concerning the wire having always been of a "stealth" mindset when trying to put the very largest walleyes in the boat. I am not about numbers at all and small fish hold little interest for me. Will the wire turn off the big marble eyes? That is the question.

Jax I am not excited about your intention of having a 3 or 4 foot leader using a snap that you will be unable to reel through your eyelets. That is 3 or 4 ft of line out there at boat side while you try to handle the fish. Potentially awkward.........been there, done that. On the other hand I did not have lots of success tying Floro to 832 although I know of folk who do it. Maybe I didn't try hard enough but my usual system (power pro to floro) didn't seem to hold that well and thus my displeasure with 832.
  
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Reply #17 - Mar 8th, 2014 at 7:03am
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mastertangler wrote on Mar 8th, 2014 at 2:34am:
Jax I am not excited about your intention of having a 3 or 4 foot leader using a snap that you will be unable to reel through your eyelets. That is 3 or 4 ft of line out there at boat side while you try to handle the fish. Potentially awkward.........been there, done that.


i never reel in the last 4+ feet of line, i very much dislike the tip of the rod anywhere near a fish or a net. i usually will fight the fish for a while and then bring it near the side of canoe and grab the line, not too tightly, and go from there. i rarely ever lose a fish boatside, and the ones i do lose are those that are very poorly hooked to begin with.

i dont like the rod being 'loaded' when i reach for a hook, especially way far from civilization. i grab the line so that there is no 'surprise' physics. thats a benefit of a superline, mono has a little spring to it, whereas superline doesnt.
  
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Reply #18 - Mar 8th, 2014 at 3:00pm
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Yup, often a bit hilarious how many folk want to reel the fish right up to the eyelet and a few want to reel the fish right through them Grin

I'm trying to picture your landing method. If you grab the line with one hand and your rod is in the other then either you live near a nuclear power plant and have grown a third hand or you have someone help you remove or land the fish?.......or you set your rod down.. And that my friend is a distinct no-no in MT's world of piscatorial pursuits. But hey, we all have our own style and that is what makes fishing fun.
  
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Reply #19 - Mar 9th, 2014 at 12:40am
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mastertangler wrote on Mar 8th, 2014 at 3:00pm:
I'm trying to picture your landing method.

i use my pointer finger on my rod holding hand as a line snatcher, turning the reel to the opposite side so it cant get tangled, and then my free hand goes for the fish. trick is to keep the elbow on the rod holding hand bent and close to your body so you have arm extension ability if you need to make up for an error
  
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