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Reply #20 - Mar 9th, 2014 at 3:02am
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Pretty snazzy.......I would like to see Jaximus Maximus in action some day  Wink

What if the fish decides to peel out? Do you not have to release your finger and thus have some slack from the time of the release until the rod loads? Plus you have the loss of concentration while you have to grab the line with your finger do you not? Unless of course your fish is so played out it just sort of floats belly up.......(I hated that I lost that fat slob of a laker because she was so played out........sort of suckethed).

So, i'm giving you all sorts of Jazz about your landing prowess Wink I'm sure you have it down but somehow I just can't quite put my head around it.

Something about that boga.......Get the fish boat side fairly quick and snatch it up. Nice handle to control him (or if your lucky, her) and a quick reach for the pliers and a "flop/splash" back in the water......hey, I never even touched line, lure or fish........whaddaya know bout that". Bada bing and I'm back in business.

But what do I know.......I got my tail kicked last time in canoe country and had to eat a fat slice of humble pie. Wasn't so bad though.......I like fishing with good anglers, it only makes you better.  Thumbs Upup 
  
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Reply #21 - Mar 9th, 2014 at 6:49am
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after some scouring i was unable to locate any pictures of the landing process.

the rod tip is loaded, albeit minimally, as you use your rod holding hand to pluck the line out of the air, kind of like pulling the trigger on a gun. the rod tip is loaded enough that if you lose grip of the line you maintain tension and dont lose the fish. the rod, slightly loaded with the line looking like a bow and arrow. your other hand is free to grab the fish
  
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Reply #22 - Mar 9th, 2014 at 8:18am
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I can easily imagine what Jax is saying. In my case, I don't pluck but rather press on the rim of the spool to maintain tension since the bail is open and the fish is within easy reach of my other hand. If it's small I grab it and do whatever. For bigger, toothy fish, I'll slide my hand under their belly and lift slightly which will basically immobilize 'em as I set my rod down - with the bail already open ... just in case something highly unusual happens.

From there it's usually a simple matter of deciding whether to grab the pliers the stringer or go in for a closer inspection. If it's hooked deep all bets are off but ideally, fish do not normally get past the rail of my canoe.

If it's a really big, I assume they are embarrassed by that point and really don't want to be measured, weighed and have their picture taken with me anyway. I know that would stress me out so once I can see what I caught, if it's not pan worthy that day, I give them every leisurely opportunity to spit the hook I have time for. Most don't or can't but I do offer the opportunity since my thrill has already been realized by then.
  
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Reply #23 - Mar 10th, 2014 at 4:34am
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Puckster wrote on Mar 7th, 2014 at 11:10pm:
Kingfisher wrote on Mar 6th, 2014 at 5:58am:
Since I have started using ultra-thin titanium/nickel alloy leaders that are stretchable and highly kink resistant, I don't even consider fishing without a leader. The swivels generally wear out before these leaders ever kink.
If you can tie a trilene knot in fishing line you can tie your own leaders with titanium. It's a little weird to work with at first really quite simple. 25lb test is my fave. I'll have a few leaders at Copia for those who will be there.

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KF -- so you buy your own swivels to make your own leaders, correct?  What type?

I won't be at 'copia, so won't have the advantage of seeing you and the leaders.  But I'm intrigued.  No more bite-offs?  No more lost lures?  Or at least fewer of both.  I like that idea. 

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There are a variety of styles and sizes for terminal tackle. If you are new to this examine a pre-made leader rig and copy it. I use 25lb nickle/titanium wire so I match terminal tackle size accordingly. Really no sense putting a big clunky 100lb test snap on ultrafine wire. leaders have two ends. On one end I put a snap/swivel combo and usually here I spend some money and buy good quality like ball bearing swivels. Cheap snaps often fail long before the rest of the leader and you can always tie on a new one BUT if it happens when you are battling the fish of a lifetime.....
At the other end of the leader I use a simple swivel not necessarily ball bearing since I am relying on the opposite end to do the spinning if necessary.
The leaders were a big hit at copia since I don't think most guys realized just how thin and light and flexible 25lb titanium can be. Seriously, I warned each person handling them to be careful not to drop one on the carpet or we might have trouble finding it.
  
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Reply #24 - Mar 10th, 2014 at 4:39am
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There is one other advantage to using a metal leader that MT hinted at in an earlier post. I fish for walleyes almost exclusively and any good walleye fisherman knows that means that I am in constant contact with the bottom. That also means that my lures and the first couple feet of line are taking a beating esp when trolling. Having that first foot of titanium leader is some protection from all of the nicks and abrasion. I still have to check and tie often but not quite as much and I know that even if I have just tied when that first good fish makes a dive for the rocks I know I have a foot of durable metal out front protecting the line.
  
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Reply #25 - Mar 10th, 2014 at 1:06pm
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KF --  I am sold on your approach, and want to get set up before my next trip.  I learned my tackle shop doesn't carry the leader material, so I'll order it from the link you provided.  Have you found that you also need to order online the swivel and snap swivel?

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Reply #26 - Mar 11th, 2014 at 2:11am
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ok, i've never met a leader that i've liked, to the point that i nearly stopped using them altogether. it's not that i don't WANT to use them, i do, and am entirely convinced this tie-able titanium is THE answer. 
KF:
what size ball bearing do you use with the 25# wire (0 or 2 hoping)?
Have you tried a quality snap on the end and just and 1 bearing on the line end, and if so do you see a problem with it?
Just got back from BassPro and although they carry knot2kinky online, it looks like they don't stock it in-store.
  
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Reply #27 - Mar 11th, 2014 at 5:19am
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zski wrote on Mar 11th, 2014 at 2:11am:

KF:
what size ball bearing do you use with the 25# wire (0 or 2 hoping)?
Have you tried a quality snap on the end and just and 1 bearing on the line end, and if so do you see a problem with it?
Just got back from BassPro and although they carry knot2kinky online, it looks like they don't stock it in-store.


I don't remember the size number but here is what I do when I go to buy them. Most have a weight rating so first I want one matched to the 25lb wire, tend to go slightly higher say 30lb test. But I also consider the bulk of the snap and ease of use. Some I find difficult to open and close in any size and some of the small sizes are really difficult to use. Obviously a big clunky thing would be easy to use but think about what it does to the lure action. Consider getting the smallest that your fingers can open and close easily and still match the weight rating of the wire.
I suppose you could eliminate a swivel at one end but then I would make sure I bought a very high quality single one. Go ahead and try it.
Once you see how tiny and ultra-fine these things tie up you might not want to tinker with downsizing too much. Someone at the dinner commented that they thought these could easily be used even with topwater baits and I am inclined to agree.
  
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Reply #28 - Mar 11th, 2014 at 5:23am
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Puckster wrote on Mar 10th, 2014 at 1:06pm:
KF  Have you found that you also need to order online the swivel and snap swivel?

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No, Fleet and Farm, Bass Pro Shop or Cabela's have plenty of snaps and swivels to pick from.

When I started doing this I salvaged snaps and swivels from all of my narly old leaders that I had but most of that stuff was bigger than was needed so now when I buy I get the smaller stuff.
  
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Reply #29 - Mar 11th, 2014 at 1:34pm
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Thanks KF -- I'll check it out.  The production of ultra lite leaders might represent a new career opportunity for you.  If you need someone to market "Kingfisher Leaders" let me know. 

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