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Reply #40 - Mar 12th, 2014 at 2:53pm
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Whatever. The entire point is how to tie the recommended knot with a swivel or snap not how to tie a loop in a line.....just trying to be helpful...... it is also important that the video show the hand placement as well........if not your just whistling Dixie.

But it is all conjecture for me. I haven't even tried the perfection loop with the stuff (now I'm whistling Dixie).........just going by my past experience with this fine knot and their suggestion and assuming success. That is the land of theory is it knot? (but I will get some soon and post the results).
  
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Reply #41 - Mar 12th, 2014 at 2:58pm
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It pays too read all of the link.

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Perfection (Angler's) Loop Details
Uses: The Perfection Loop was described by Ashley as the Angler's Loop (ABOK # 1017, p 188.) It is the easiest way to make a small loop in the end of a leader or tippet that will lie perfectly in line with the standing end. It is commonly used to join a Perfection Loop in the end of a fly line to a Perfection loop in a Leader using a "Loop to Loop" connection.

Tying it: This knot is most easily tied in the hand. Hold the first loop between finger and thumb. Wrap the second turn round the finger and thumb and then between the two loops. Tuck the second turn through the first, checking that the loop crosses and traps the end.

Alternative: It can also be tied through a fly or lure by passing the free end along the path shown in Frame 7 of the animation.

Advantages: The Perfection loop creates a stable loop that lines up neatly with the standing end. Using a "Loop to Loop" connection the Perfection Knot allows for quick and convenient leader changes.
  
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Reply #42 - Mar 18th, 2014 at 9:28pm
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Anyone have any problem tying the wire in a neat knot.  I cut a 18 inch piece and when both ends had been attached there was a 5 inch leader with ends that stuck out at a 45° angle to the wire.
  
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Reply #43 - Mar 20th, 2014 at 12:54pm
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MP........I am hesitant to suggest it as I have not got around to trying it yet but try the perfection loop. I have been advocating it for some time now and in a video promo by the company who makes the material they specifically refer to it so I am assuming it works. The ggod thing about the knot is you can cut it very close (at least you can with mono).

Sooner or later I will get around to ordering all the stuff that gets posted......the wire, the spinners etc.(I'm so weak  Grin )
  
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Reply #44 - Mar 22nd, 2014 at 3:32pm
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Here is a picture of a finished clinch knot using 25lb nickel/titanium wire. Notice that it does not draw up tight like fishing line. I left the tag end a bit long so that it was more visible, it can be trimmed flush if you so desire.

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Reply #45 - Mar 22nd, 2014 at 4:03pm
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Thanks Darrel.  The picture helps a lot. 

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Reply #46 - Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:52pm
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Kingfisher wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 3:32pm:
Here is a picture of a finished clinch knot using 25lb nickel/titanium wire. Notice that it does not draw up tight like fishing line. I left the tag end a bit long so that it was more visible, it can be trimmed flush if you so desire.

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KF,

Thx for the photo, that's sorta how I pictured it.  I'm a leader "neophyte" and rarely use leaders, but this thread has me thinking of trying the titanium and learning to use it.  Could you maybe provide a picture showing the entire set-up -- from the lure to snap/swivel to other end of leader and then to your fishing line?  It would really help me and other neophytes if we could see the whole thing....
  
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Reply #47 - Mar 23rd, 2014 at 1:25am
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Yeah KF, and could you animate the knot-tying?  Smiley 

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Reply #48 - Mar 23rd, 2014 at 9:11pm
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I tried the Cinch knot again and had better luck.  The Perfect Loop is an oval sticking out to one side.  I also tried to pull the knot down too tight.  One thing that helped was to start off  by wrapping the wire around the nose of needle nose pliers until it retained a 135° bend about 2 inches from the end of the wire.  Then put the swivel on the wire and tie the knot.
  
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Reply #49 - Mar 24th, 2014 at 1:35pm
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Thanks for the picture KF Thumbs Upup
It showed what I thought it would, that tying with wire, even thin Titanium wire, your not going to get a knot that resembles anything you get with mono-braid.

I used to work with extremely small wire occasionally when I was a cable builder, and no matter how thing/flexible, when you get to a certain point, it's still a metal.
  
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