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Mar 5th, 2014 at 8:07pm
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In Florida, yellow is a popular color for braided line.  To that you tag on 2 to 3 feet of 25-pound (or so) monofilament leader, to which the lure is attached. 

For a Minnesota guy, this has prompted a two-part question:

a. can fish see color?  If so, yellow is a bad choice for line.

b. the mono leader makes the above question moot. But in the QP I tie my crankbait directly to the braided line, foregoing swivels or leaders for better action.  How many others tie jigs, lures, etc., directly to their braided line? 

If the answer to "a." is yes, then I've got to change my braided line before venturing north. 

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Reply #1 - Mar 5th, 2014 at 8:30pm
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I read a similar article a few years back, and now use PowerPro red braid.

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However, I consider myself an "accidental" fisherman, so the real serious anglers here might have a different view?

I don't tie directly to lure every time, because I'm lazy/paddling solo, and want to be able to switch lures in the shortest amount of time.

I either use a ball bearing snap-lock type of swivel like these:

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or, I use something like this.
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Again, I don't think they effect the lures action, but I have no-way of knowing for sure?

Others might, and I look forward to the "pro's" opinions.


  
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Reply #2 - Mar 5th, 2014 at 9:11pm
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Unless I'm fishing jigs, I always use ball bearing snap swivels. Eliminates line twist. Easier to change lures. Lure runs truer.
  
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Reply #3 - Mar 5th, 2014 at 10:18pm
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Puckster wrote on Mar 5th, 2014 at 8:07pm:
b. the mono leader makes the above question moot. But in the QP I tie my crankbait directly to the braided line, foregoing swivels or leaders for better action.  How many others tie jigs, lures, etc., directly to their braided line?


I've gotten to the point where I am almost always using a metal leader, unless I'm fishing jigs / jig spinners which are cheap to lose. In that case then I am using a BB snap swivel. I don't believe that the leaders or swivels have ever impacted my fishing success.

I like to change colors / lures frequently, so they make life easier. Plus it's easy to remove and then add a lure before / after portages. And I've caught Pike on every presentation I've ever used in the Q, so the leaders have saved me some lures too.

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Reply #4 - Mar 6th, 2014 at 5:58am
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Since I have started using ultra-thin titanium/nickel alloy leaders that are stretchable and highly kink resistant, I don't even consider fishing without a leader. The swivels generally wear out before these leaders ever kink.
If you can tie a trilene knot in fishing line you can tie your own leaders with titanium. It's a little weird to work with at first really quite simple. 25lb test is my fave. I'll have a few leaders at Copia for those who will be there.

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I do not use leaders when jigging but do use a snap swivel with jig spinners to prevent line twist.
  
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If you can tie a trilene knot in fishing line you can tie your own leaders with titanium.


Is using the Trilene knot the key to using this wire?
I read a few reviews and most said they loved the stuff like you do, but a couple said they couldn't get the knot to hold?
I'm assuming their not using a Trilene knot or don't tie it right?
  
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Reply #6 - Mar 6th, 2014 at 2:44pm
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KF,

I notice the 25 lb leaders come in 15 or 30 foot lengths.  Do you use the entire 15 foot length or cut into smaller pieces?   
  
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Reply #7 - Mar 6th, 2014 at 6:17pm
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pine_knot wrote on Mar 6th, 2014 at 2:44pm:
KF,

I notice the 25 lb leaders come in 15 or 30 foot lengths.  Do you use the entire 15 foot length or cut into smaller pieces?   


Depends on how good they are biting. If they are really biting well use the whole 15ft leader length and then you can just keep cutting off what is in the fishes mouth and just slap on a new lure. Quick and easy  Wink

I noticed in their promo material they suggest the perfection loop knot. I will have to pick some of the stuff up. I tried some other brand of titanium wire which was supposed to be tiable but I wasn't impressed. I will give this stuff a shot. Best pull the trigger now before I forget........I wonder how the thinner stuff does (the 25 was very skinny however).......any usage with the lighter lb tests?

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Reply #8 - Mar 6th, 2014 at 6:33pm
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Earth to Prouboy.........earth to prouboy......

Did you already buy your yellow line? Yikes......take it back and fast. No "here I am" line allowed while fishing backcountry or near shore. Yellow line is fine when your trying to keep track of offshore trolling spreads but the kiss of death otherwise.

Heres the deal.......get some 30lb green power pro and add a 30lb floro leader of some 2 or 3ft. You need fingerless gloves and plenty of practice to get mono and braid to stick......but if you want to catch 'em that is the accepted method. If the snook are running big then 40lb is the ticket and if big trout are your game then 20 or even 15 is the way to go (I have caught plenty of big trout on 6lb mono before I learned you can't catch them on line that light ).

No yellow line on my boat.......no white T shirts......and no more than 2 consecutive bad words uttered when the line breaks up underneath the mangroves ......."I know it all happened very fast, when you stop shaking you can tie on another hook" Grin
  
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Reply #9 - Mar 7th, 2014 at 5:49am
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solotripper wrote on Mar 6th, 2014 at 1:34pm:
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If you can tie a trilene knot in fishing line you can tie your own leaders with titanium.


Is using the Trilene knot the key to using this wire?
I read a few reviews and most said they loved the stuff like you do, but a couple said they couldn't get the knot to hold?
I'm assuming their not using a Trilene knot or don't tie it right?


There are tying instructions that come with the wire. The last wire I ordered called for a modified trilene style knot. Rather than 5-6 turns around the main line the tag end is wrapped only 2-3. And it does NOT cinch down like fishing line. It will seem as though it only cinches down half way but it holds and it works. I have not had a Knot fail so far.
It's possible that the latest orders for this wire come with different tying instructions, maybe something better was discovered. I would follow the instructions that come with the wire.
These cannot be easily tied in the field. Plan to do them ahead at home and use a lineman's pliers and a vise for clamping the work.
  
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