25 2-Part Question (Read 41798 times)
solotripper
Inukshuk
Offline



Posts: 8107
Location: clarkston MI
Joined: Mar 14th, 2005
Re: 2-Part Question
Reply #70 - Apr 3rd, 2014 at 1:58pm
Quote Quote Print Post Print Post  
I like choices. I'm just bringing questions/options like you did regarding the use of the perfection loop.

Not everyone is a do-it themselves type, or might have issues with their hands that make tying knots with wire hard for them.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
mastertangler
Inukshuk
Offline



Posts: 3111
Location: florida
Joined: Feb 1st, 2010
Re: 2-Part Question
Reply #71 - Apr 3rd, 2014 at 3:11pm
Quote Quote Print Post Print Post  
I suppose your right ST. I stand corrected.

Its really not that hard......And if someone like you who is good with tools is gun shy it might make others who are even less confident prone to not even try. A modest amount of trial and error and you will have discreet wire leaders with less components.......components such as crimps which are notorious for failure especially in smaller diameters. Simple is better.

KF gave the key earlier. Tie both ends and then pull tight by grabbing both terminal components with pliers in each hand...... being careful to wear safety glasses. I always wear safety glasses even when working with single strand lest I twirl it around and scratch. When tightening a slow steady pull is better than a quick jerking motion IMO.
  
Back to top
IP Logged
 
solotripper
Inukshuk
Offline



Posts: 8107
Location: clarkston MI
Joined: Mar 14th, 2005
Re: 2-Part Question
Reply #72 - Apr 3rd, 2014 at 4:06pm
Quote Quote Print Post Print Post  
Quote:
Tie both ends and then pull tight by grabbing both terminal components with pliers in each hand......


That may or may not work for everyone depending on your hand/grip strength or physical limitations.

KF is a very fit fellow. You work with your hands as well. I have no doubt I have the hand strength, but my question was to give others that may not a option.

I just ordered some line sleaves/crimpers and will get some #25 titanium wire and see what can be done.
I'll test it for strength, but not with a pull test involving/relying on hand/grip strength.

I'll post test results/pics regardless of the result.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
zski
Inukshuk
Offline



Posts: 447
Location: IL
Joined: Sep 30th, 2010
Re: 2-Part Question
Reply #73 - Apr 3rd, 2014 at 4:20pm
Quote Quote Print Post Print Post  
solotripper wrote on Apr 3rd, 2014 at 4:06pm:
Quote:
Tie both ends and then pull tight by grabbing both terminal components with pliers in each hand......

That may or may not work for everyone depending on your hand/grip strength or physical limitations.

you don't need good hand/grip strength if you use your teeth. just don't forget the back brace  (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
solotripper
Inukshuk
Offline



Posts: 8107
Location: clarkston MI
Joined: Mar 14th, 2005
Re: 2-Part Question
Reply #74 - Apr 7th, 2014 at 10:26pm
Quote Quote Print Post Print Post  
I'm still waiting on all the items I need to try and crimp that Titanium wire instead of tying a knot in it.
I did a little research and found this website and a nice guide to crimping your own leaders if you so choose.
Lots of good info/tips on types of crimpers (4) and the various sleave types.

Scroll down he has some nice pictures of the right/wrong way to crimp. I learned something right a way about how/where to crimp.

(You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Kingfisher
Moderator
Inukshuk
Offline



Posts: 1814
Joined: Mar 8th, 2004
Re: 2-Part Question
Reply #75 - Apr 8th, 2014 at 5:06am
Quote Quote Print Post Print Post  
Where did you find crimping sleeves that were small enough?
  
Back to top
IP Logged
 
solotripper
Inukshuk
Offline



Posts: 8107
Location: clarkston MI
Joined: Mar 14th, 2005
Re: 2-Part Question
Reply #76 - Apr 8th, 2014 at 12:51pm
Quote Quote Print Post Print Post  
Kingfisher wrote on Apr 8th, 2014 at 5:06am:
Where did you find crimping sleeves that were small enough?


KF, I got the smallest sleeves I could find from
(You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)

They sent me their great catalog, which I highly recommend.

The 1 leader sleeve inside diameter is .033"
They sell the Knot 2 Kinky wire and have the different lb test diameters.

#25 is .010", so theoretically you could get three strands of wire into
the sleeve?

I have some ideas about that, but until I get all the supplies, I can't try them out.

That Leader-tec link guy is a fan of the double sleeve, but again, there much bigger than that fine titanium wire, but I have an idea about that too.

He says/claims that IF a leader fails at the crimp it's because the crimp was bad to begin with assuming your catch was within it's load limits. Salt water offers more issues involving the choice of crimp sleeve material and it's chemical reaction to salt.

IF I can get them to work, I'll send you some, and you can compare to your knotted ones.

I have a way to test them, that doesn't involve pulling on them with pliers, I'll talk about that IF I can crimp them.

Might be a complete flop, or maybe another option for people that have problems doing it your way.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
solotripper
Inukshuk
Offline



Posts: 8107
Location: clarkston MI
Joined: Mar 14th, 2005
Re: 2-Part Question
Reply #77 - Apr 8th, 2014 at 6:28pm
Quote Quote Print Post Print Post  
KF,

I received all the materials and spent the last few hours making leaders.
I made 2 for your inspection if you'll send me your address, I'll mail them out this week.

I found that the smallest sleeve at .033 ID, will allow you to double back the tag end of wire which is .010, which allows you to get a good crimp and keep the size loop you want.

You cut off the excess on loop end.
I started with just one sleeve on each end, but couldn't duplicate the loop size consistently.
I then went to 2 sleeves, and that seemed to do the trick.

Used small hemostat to hold first sleeve and fine needle nose pliers to double back wire thru the 2 sleeves.
You want to leave a little loop, the size of a hook eye, so you don't break the wire when you crimp it or test it.
What your really doing is crimping 3 wires instead of just 2.

It takes a little patience but it can be done with .003" left to play with. Wink Grin

Once I got the hang of it, it wasn't hard at all. I have a pair of glasses I wear for small detail work, that helped a lot.

For my strength test, I made a rig out of paracord and lifted a #25 dumbbell off the ground and gave it a few tugs, like a fish would. I could feel the titanium stretch out under the load, but it didn't break.

I'll let you be the voice of experience when you get my 2 leaders, and say whether my efforts are a valid substitute for tying them?
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Old Salt
Inukshuk
Offline



Posts: 4871
Location: Crossville, TN
Joined: Jun 17th, 2004
Titanium leaders
Reply #78 - Apr 8th, 2014 at 10:07pm
Quote Quote Print Post Print Post  
I found VMC ready-made titanium leaders at Mills Fleet Farm for about $10 each.

Anyone used nanofil line? Looks good at about $20 per spool. Supposed to cast better and no stretch...
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Kingfisher
Moderator
Inukshuk
Offline



Posts: 1814
Joined: Mar 8th, 2004
Re: 2-Part Question
Reply #79 - Apr 9th, 2014 at 5:12am
Quote Quote Print Post Print Post  
ST,
It sounds like you have found suitable crimping sleeves to make some nice leaders.
Good idea to send me a pair. I will return a pair of the tied version that I've been making. I will PM my address.
BTW the 25lb wire that I got stated the dia as .014 and I was a little disappointed in that since previously 25lb wire was noticeably thinner at .010
  
Back to top
IP Logged
 

 
  « The Put-In ‹ Board  ^Top