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 10 trolling to jigging transition (Read 4761 times)
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trolling to jigging transition
Apr 2nd, 2014 at 5:55am
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my group likes trout, catching them, eating them, pretty much everything about them. they are harder to come by in the area we live than walleyes so they have that almost exotic type feel.

we have had our most success catching them by trolling around and hitting the likely spots and generally get strikes about where i think we should. we never really stopped and jigged in the school of fish when we caught one trolling, we would just make another trolling pass.

this trip i want to take more time to stop and jig for them once we find a school. ive always brought the baits i felt were necessary for this application, but havent really used them very much.

i bring 5" white fluke baits with 1/4 oz jigheads, 4" white/silver tube jigs, and a few heavy lipless cranks. ive pretty much only used them from shore with decent success.

do you guys ever stop and jig once you get a hit on a trolling pass? what do you use if you do?
  
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Re: trolling to jigging transition
Reply #1 - Apr 2nd, 2014 at 12:16pm
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Jax
I have a very strong hunch that these might be the hottest thing to hit fresh water fishing in a very long time..........

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I use them offshore and even when fish aren't hungry (guys standing around not catching) I can often drop one of these down and pop it around and hook up. It is totally a reaction strike.......good for catching the big boys and girls.

The few times I used them in canoe country were instant hookups. Once on Bentpine near KF's school of middling sized walleye I thought perhaps a big pike might be around so I put one on (like an idiot without a leader.....oh me of little faith), popped the rod twice and got freight trained instantly. It all happened so fast. Was it a big fish? I have no clue all I know is they wanted it and bad.

Then on Conmee I trolled a point with a crank and seen a few marks on the finder. It was calm so I rigged a Butterfly jig, dropped it down and was hooked up instantly. The hook pulled and again I don't know what size the fish was.

On Basswood 2 years ago I came across good Smallmouths in 55' who were coming 20 ft off the bottom to nail my crank bait. They were the only big smallmouths of the trip. Had I been a bit more clever I would of hung with them but dropped down a Butterfly jig and who knows........I might have ended up with the best smallmouth of my life had I put in some time.

Will they work on Lakers? I have zero doubt. Any fish that eats other fish would be triggered by the erratic fluttering spoons. I think they become infuriated after missing them a few times and become determined, bingo!

Of course there are drawbacks. They are a very poor searching application and they can wear you out using one. They need braid and fluorocarbon leader IMO (fluorocarbon being a little bit stiff) but I intend to use them more often (I keep forgetting I have them with me).
  
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Re: trolling to jigging transition
Reply #2 - Apr 2nd, 2014 at 1:40pm
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"do you guys ever stop and jig once you get a hit on a trolling pass? what do you use if you do?"

no, but on one of the lakes on the Allagash, a ranger had told us of a "hole" that was deepest part of the lake (this was earl or mid-June - fish were already deep) - how to line up landmarks to get there, then just drop a flutter spoon to bottom and jig it - no bait;  we caught one laker that way in deep water.  didn't spend a whole lot of time there.

something like a Johnson's silver minnow would be my choice - lots of flash for down in deep water
  
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Reply #3 - Apr 2nd, 2014 at 2:57pm
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I often troll to find fish then stop and cast or jig. Usually works good for walleye and if I find a pocket then seems like there is usually a big Norther near by.

Last year we had a real good lake trout trip and caught most of them trolling. It was the first week of June. Seems like they usually hit when we'd stop or turn or slow up for some reason. A few times I reeled in the slack, ready to start paddling again and found a LT was on. If memory serves when we went back to jig and cast the same spot where one was just caught, it was not too productive. Maybe I haven't figured out how to work the jig yet just right  for LT. I did catch a few on a jig by casting and bumping the bottom on the retrieve.
  
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Reply #4 - Apr 2nd, 2014 at 3:00pm
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jimmar wrote on Apr 2nd, 2014 at 2:57pm:
It was the first week of June.


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Reply #5 - Apr 3rd, 2014 at 10:11pm
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@MT, ive seen a bunch of tv shows with guys using them on salt water and wondered if they would be worth trying. im always looking to expand on my lure arsenal, so i may just have to pick one up! looks like our trip is going to be july this year due to scheduling conflicts, so i may need to try some different tactics
  
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Reply #6 - Apr 4th, 2014 at 3:01am
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Jaximus, these are similar.  I'm guessing they are nowhere near the same quality as the Shimano version but way, way cheaper.
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Reply #7 - Apr 4th, 2014 at 12:24pm
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Actually Kerry these freestyle jigs are quite good when it comes to quality and are comparable to the butterfly jigs in size and shape. It would be interesting to give them a side by side comparison. My suspicion is in the smaller sizes the products would be comparable but that is purely speculation. My last trip I took the Bass Pro freestyle jigs and the 2 times I used them they got eat. I need to really apply them in a contentious manner.........find a rock pile with a nice showing and drop them down.

The accepted technique is to drop them to bottom and then snap the rod briskly say a foot or even 2, let them drop while reeling in some slack and pop them again etc. etc. If bottom fish were my goal I would work them up about 10ft off the bottom and start over. When you snap upward is when you hook the fish.........often on the braid you can feel them hitting it.......when ever I feel a hit I jerk but usually the fish is just there when you do hookup.........usually you never feel them eat as they hit it on the drop. When you "pop" the rod it should be much like setting a hook.......but remember with braid there is no stretch so a hard flip of the wrist will get the desired action as well as set the hook if the fish eats. Understand that the wire on the free swinging hooks are a bit thicker than say on a crank bait and although plenty sharp they will need a little authority to find purchase. Flimsy rods would make a poor jigging rod. Xtra fast action is ideal, that being a soft tip that loads quickly.

I believe the fish become infuriated with the erratic motion and become determined to catch it. Thus a different trigger for fish who may not feel like eating and spurn other offerings. In the natural world there is little mercy and creatures who are hurt and wounded become instant targets.......I believe it is an instinctual response.

I probably would not invest lots of time in one spot. If I didn't get bit quickly I would move on. Ideally a dedicated rod would be employed. Troll along, see some fish and grab the jig, drop it down for a few snaps and see what happens. No bites, set the rod down and move on. Rinse and repeat throughout the day.

My strong belief is that the larger fish can be caught this way. Big fish are often so conditioned to eating at a certain time.......and eating a certain fish and even eating a certain size fish that trolling by with a perch colored crank often does little or nothing to evoke a response. But introduce the wounded erratic frustrating piece of painted metal and the predator awakes. Must Kill! Kill! Kill!...............Come to Daddy big Girl  Cool
  
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Reply #8 - Apr 4th, 2014 at 3:56pm
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Jimmar, You said that lake trout hit when you stop, turn or slow up.  What that is telling you is that you need to fish deeper.  If you have a thermometer you should get down to the 40's for lake trout.  I don't think most people go slow enough when trolling for trout.  Getting down 40 feet is hard to do even at a moderate paddling rate.  Vertical jigging can be very productive once you find the trout.
  
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Reply #9 - Apr 4th, 2014 at 5:24pm
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You said that lake trout hit when you stop, turn or slow up.  What that is telling you is that you need to fish deeper.

I find just the opposite. A sudden burst of speed and/or a turn has always produced for me pretty much any time of year. Reeling in quickly before drifting into a cliff works too. A friend of mine swears slower is better. We both catch trout. Go figure.
  
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