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Reply #10 - May 4th, 2014 at 6:08am
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i suppose i should clarify my statements as i came off fairly harsh.

the pros are good at what they do; im in awe of some of the casts they make, as you describe.

i guess i feel there are 2 types of fishing, finesse and power(tournament) fishing

when fishing in a competition against a clock, you have to hunt for active fish. you cover more water, move faster, use heavier baits, search baits, etc. active fish will chase a bait that falls faster, so you can get away with heavier jigs which are much easier to cast/skip/aim. basically they are quickly searching for biters.

im not discounting the skill that it takes to do that, i just view the skill in making neutral fish bite as a higher form of fishing.

i would compare tournament fishing to trolling. trolling covers water and picks up active fish.

finesse. jigging picks up more neutral fish. lighter baits, smaller baits, slower presentations. you work a spot over. after im done with a spot im confident there are no fish left or they will refuse to be caught. its too risky to fish this way in a tournament cuz if the spots you pick (as there will be fewer) arent holding fish that particular day, you will run out of time.
  
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Reply #11 - May 4th, 2014 at 10:57am
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Ahh, good clean fun over the morning breakfast. You know the ancient Greeks, one of the more advanced civilizations in their time, would spend quite a bit of time "discussing" the merits of various subjects. Of course their interests were of the hefty variety >  philosophy, the sciences etc. etc not something so mundane as fishing.

And in the book "How to win friends and influence people" the author suggests never telling folk they are wrong, obviously I don't subscribe  Wink. (unless of course it is someone who will directly impact your life, like a boss, a spouse, a working associate or........... a canoeing partner Cool  ).

Now that I have my disclaimer firmly in place I can let loose with my other barrel.......Your just wrong Jax...... but not entirely.......yes they do run and gun and get reaction bites as it is vitally important that they get a limit but after that is achieved is when they make their money. They go to specific spots and work that spot with what they think will work. One friend told me of a pattern he used........2" power pro crayfish, 1/16 ounce jig head and he was pitching docks with it. And what shall we say about longtime tournament pro and legend guido hibdon who is known for his finesse fishing tactics?

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Jax, You are lumping the tournament guys together as if they were some sort of herd. The great thing about fishing is the creativity involved.......and certainly the guys who do it for a living want to put the big girls in the boat. If that means slow rolling a 3/4 oz spinnerbait in a flooded channel or using a shaky worm on 6lb test in some ultra clear impoundment that is what they are going to do. The guys you describe usually don't last to long if they are a one trick pony. I think you are selling them quite a bit short.

But to get back to the subject of line.......I thought it interesting on the video that Hibdon used a hi-vis braid but added the fluorocarbon. They all use the fluorocarbon and the point I was making is: they all use it because it works, if it didn't they wouldn't........they are not playing out there, it's serious business. You can go broke very quickly being a tournament fisherman. The question I would have is.....do the walleye pros use it as abundantly as the Bass pro guys. After all, tournament fishing is about putting big fish in the boat......not a pile of eaters who will munch most anything.   
  
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Reply #12 - May 4th, 2014 at 3:10pm
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Dammit guys.  Not sure what is so difficult about keeping a thread on topic.  Could you keep it to PM if you need to change subject?  Thanks.  It grows tiresome MT, it really does.   Thumbs Updown

  
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Reply #13 - May 4th, 2014 at 4:22pm
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whatever.....we obviously have differing concepts as to what makes for interesting commentary.

I thought I was making a point about line. That guys who fish for a living and are really, really good about putting big fish in the boat use fluorocarbon. I don't use it so much in lighter lb tests probably because I use mono quite a bit but now I'm considering light braid and I'm thinking it through.

But shall we march lock step? Red fish, blue fish, I use blue Stren and you use green Trilene. Now that's good stuff!

OK fine......I'll bugger off since you find my contributions tiresome.

 
  
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Reply #14 - May 4th, 2014 at 7:05pm
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I suppose I should have clarified that 90% of our fishing in QUETICO is jigging.  I was recently reminded that I have the luxury of a fantastic canoe partner both in fishing and boat control - which I completely took for granted.  (Of course he has the same luxury.)  This allows us to spend considerable time on structure, windy or not, and give an area a solid go of it.  Obviously, this has a huge bearing on line choice.

I want low/no vis, low/no stretch, no memory, yet strong enough to yank off a stump or rock with minimal damage.  Jigging with the fireline is about as good as it gets.

mastertangler wrote on May 4th, 2014 at 4:22pm:
OK fine......I'll bugger off since you find my contributions tiresome.


No, I actually don't.  I think you can contribute quite a bit.  However, I find your insistence on changing the subject to suit your personal, pet interest tiresome.  If you haven't noticed, this is a forum about the Q/BW - not offshore fishing for redfish or tournament bass fishing in Florida. 
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Reply #15 - May 4th, 2014 at 10:15pm
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Sorry, I'm trying, I really am. I get that I can become tedious.......I'm a stickler for truth. If folk want to think the pros lack skill and can only do one thing well I guess I should just let them think what they want? 

The Bass Pros and Walleye pros were brought into the context of the discussion only to further the concept of using fluorocarbon. As per what I have already stated I know the Bass Pros use it.......

But what about walleye pros? Professional fisherman who fish waters very much like what we would find in canoe country like Quetico......Do they fish straight braid or do they add in a piece of fluorocarbon? I would be interested to know the answer to that. Could that answer be the difference between another 18" walleye or a 32" walleye? I dunno, I don't fish for a living.

I, for one, have a great deal of respect for tournament fishermen. It's hard putting big fish in the boat on a consistent basis. Lots harder than most folk think and when they speak I tend to listen.   
  
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Reply #16 - May 5th, 2014 at 12:51pm
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I suppose I should have clarified that 90% of our fishing in QUETICO is jigging.  I was recently reminded that I have the luxury of a fantastic canoe partner both in fishing and boat control - which I completely took for granted.  (Of course he has the same luxury.)  This allows us to spend considerable time on structure, windy or not, and give an area a solid go of it.  Obviously, this has a huge bearing on line choice.


That's a very good point PJ. I'm enjoying the discussion on line weights/ line choices/ color, but for me tripping solo, you guys would laugh at my choices.

I just bought a new model med-heavy Gx2,  Ugly Stick one piece 7' to use as my "trolling rod" and have my reel spooled with #40 red PowerPro braid.

Any thoughts on "red" for a line color?

I want a set-up that will literaly slow/stop my canoe if I hang up.
I'm using this in conjuction with those ultra-thin titanium leaders KF sent me and I made myself.

My other 2 rods are spooled with either PowerPro braid or mono in the same weights/dimaeters you guys recommend.

Heading into the Q starting at Beaverhouse May 14-27.

I'm hoping the fish don't know what the "fishing guys" know and jump all over my offerings. Wink Grin
  
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Reply #17 - May 5th, 2014 at 4:32pm
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solotripper wrote on May 5th, 2014 at 12:51pm:
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Heading into the Q starting at Beaverhouse May 14-27.


Hey I'm back......did you miss me?

I'm kidding, I am going to take a little break (whew!) but I couldn't resist wishing ST good luck.  Thumbs Upup
  
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Reply #18 - May 5th, 2014 at 4:39pm
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I appreciate that.

Just hoping I don't need my "TUNA" rod and heavy braid to "drag" myself over the ice instead of paddling around the icebergs. Wink Grin
  
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Reply #19 - May 6th, 2014 at 3:29am
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solotripper wrote on May 5th, 2014 at 12:51pm:
[quote] my reel spooled with #40 red PowerPro braid.

I want a set-up that will literaly slow/stop my canoe if I hang up.
I'm using this in conjuction with those ultra-thin titanium leaders KF sent me and I made myself.


I don't really understand why you would want to stop your canoe's momentum with a fishing rod and line. When snagged, let your drag keep you from breaking off until you can grab the reel and open the bail. Using line much over 10lb test really is overkill.
  
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