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Reply #20 - May 6th, 2014 at 12:09pm
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PhantomJug wrote on May 2nd, 2014 at 1:13pm:
When the super lines allow you to feel a fish fart 20 feet away, why keep using it? 



I just look for the bubbles.
  
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Reply #21 - May 6th, 2014 at 1:15pm
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I don't really understand why you would want to stop your canoe's momentum with a fishing rod and line. When snagged, let your drag keep you from breaking off until you can grab the reel and open the bail. Using line much over 10lb test really is overkill.


When I switched to my Double Paddle, I found that with my rented tandem canoe and the extra power I get with the DP, I was either letting so much line out with the drag set below the line weight or else breaking line and losing a lot of lures.

I found for me, the extra line weight often pulled a snagged lure free. I still set the drag and pay attention, but IF I'm dealing with wind/waves, the ability to slow/stop canoe without breaking line seems to work for me.

That PowerPro #40 is equivalent to #8 mono, so the lures seem to get the same depth/action as mono.

Another thing is IF I tie into a decent size fish and there's control issues due to weather, I want to be able to bring the fish in as fast as possible.
I don't have to play the fish, I can just "horse" it in.

So far it's worked for me, but then I'm not a real fishing guy, more a "accidental" one. Grin Grin
  
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Reply #22 - May 6th, 2014 at 1:23pm
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I found this guide to line choices for Bass fishing.
Some of it might translate to Q/BWCA fishing.
Some good info but even the experts disagree, so go figure. Roll Eyes

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Reply #23 - May 7th, 2014 at 2:30am
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I think there may be a similarity between this discussion on fishing line and a discussion on lures.  I think most of us will agree that fishing lures are made to appeal to fishermen.  Let's face it not too many fish buy fishing lures.  Any lure will catch fish depending where, when, who and what.  Admittedly some are better than other.  But most lures will fall within one standard deviations of the center of the bell curve.  I just can't believe a northern will ignore your lure because you have 8 pound test verses 10 pound test.  Especially, if you factor in that the super lines have a smaller diameter for the same strength.  As  far as color of line, again I just don't think the difference between clear, black, gray or whatever color really makes any difference.  I think it is great fun for a lot of people to debate the relative merits of different lines relative to color and strength.  But for anybody new to fishing, don't get too hung up on this discussion.  Just buy some good quality line.  I will agree that there is a noticeable difference between the super/braided lines and mono.  IMHO the super lines win hands down.  Finally, I recall what Al Linder said on one of his shows.  Everyone talks about natural presentation.  BUT what is naturally about a red and white Daredevil and a large number of lures which catch fish.  Nightcrawlers are not native to North America. Plus, nightcrawlers do not naturally occur in lakes, but fish will bite on nightcrawlers.

I certainly do not intend to imply that all fishermen have equal success.  Certainly, some people do much better than others.  I don't think, however, that the color or diameter of the line are major factors in catching fish.
  
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Reply #24 - May 7th, 2014 at 12:31pm
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This discussion makes me want to run out and buy a new spool of FireLine. I've been successful enough using my 6lb. STREN mono to enjoy the experience. I know exactly what to expect from this line, I know its limitations and feel confident in its performance since I've used it for so many years.  I am sort of resistant to change when things are working for me. Maybe that's why I always come back to Quetico, use the same outfitter when I use one, wear the same lucky hat,  follow the same routines when camping, always eat at the Outdorsman in Atikokan, etc,. etc, etc. Last year when I landed my 45" NP, using a lightweight rod, 6lb mono (no leader) and a 1/4oz. jig while fishing out of a canoe I built myself, I had a pretty nice feeling of satisfaction. The fact I used 6LB mono definitely was a part of that.

I've used FireLine and sometimes still do but I have a tendency to use the higher pound test that has the same diameter as 6Lb. When I snag the bottom while jigging with a light rod,  I can break off the mono fairly easily when compared to the FireLine. I also feel like I have sometimes ripped the jig out of a lightly biting fishes mouth when using Fireline and a rod with some stiffness.  It seems to me, maybe I'm wrong,  that the added stretch in mono give a little more time for a hook set, even though it may not be quite as solid.

I'll keep doing what I do, but maybe on this next trip I'll give a super-line another try.
  
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Reply #25 - May 7th, 2014 at 2:21pm
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The hardest thing to learn with Braided line when your used to using mono, is a flick of the wrist or a raise of the rod tip is usually enough to set the hook.

If your hooks are sharp like they should be.

I'm thinking KF's titanium leader with it's built in stretch might be a good thing along with that super braid?

It has just enough "give" that it might be a little more forgiving than braid alone.

If you haven't bought any, your missing out.
It is exactly as KF said and when he said it was thin, he wasn't exaggerating at all.
  
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Reply #26 - May 8th, 2014 at 5:08am
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Mono fishing line definitely shines in some situations. For heavily pressured fish like in the lakes around my home near Milwaukee I use 4lb mono sometimes with a 6lb fluorocarbon leader. I really dislike fluoro but use it when I think it's necessary. Also use mono exclusively when crappie fishing. The extra stretch is a little more forgiving on their "paper mouths".
Light superlines (6-10lb test/1-4lb dia.) like Fireline have three characteristics that I find extremely attractive. First they are very forgiving to line twist, something that is the scourge of mono. Second, It has incredible sensitivity and as ST says require a simple wrist flick to set a hook. In fact in the early days when I used it I was setting the hook far too vigorously and losing fish. I had to train myself to take it easy. When trolling with Fireline there is no hooksetting, it's completely unnecessary. And third, the stuff seems to last forever and does not seem to deteriorate in UV light like mono does. Attention must be paid to the last 3-6 feet just as with any other type of line because it will get nicked,cut or frayed with hard use.
In short, I find the characteristics of Fireline Crystal so desireable that I will use it when ever I can. Many times I like the fact that it is more visible than mono. My eyes are not what they used to be and when line watching during low light cloudy days it's been a real asset. Also makes knot tying easier but have a good pair of clippers handy, it can be tough to cut.
  
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Reply #27 - May 9th, 2014 at 4:58am
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KF -- excellent point about clippers!  So damn frustrating to have the line look like it was gnawed off; fuzzy and uneven.  I probably have 3 or 4, including the black, stumpy looking ones, and the traditional fingernail clippers, and the only thing I've concluded is I buy a couple new ones every year.  I very sharp knife works in a pinch.

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Reply #28 - May 9th, 2014 at 9:16pm
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I generally use the wire cutter part of my needle nose pliers to cut the braided line.  Superline is very hard to cut, especially the knot on your lure.
  
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Reply #29 - May 28th, 2014 at 2:57am
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Great topic PJ!  First off, I pack in 2 spinning reels and 4 spools.  2 with fire line and 2 mono.  I probably go 70/30 fire line.

Berkley Vanish is junk.  Really horrible stuff.  I would buy it every year forgetting how terrible it was, getting sucked into the invisibility feature, which is desirable in crystal clear Canadian waters!

Berkley makes a higher-end fluorocarbon that is much better under the Trilene name.  It is now what I prefer when jigging/casting in 20 feet or less.  I put it on my 6 foot medium St. Croix.  The problem is the chomp-snap! but there is no getting around that without leaders which kind of defeats the whole "invisibility" feature of fluorocarbon.  12lb super line is really tough but it gets sawed off all the time too. IMO the best feature of mono is the quiet.  It makes zero noise whereas super line is LOUD!


Keep in mind, sometimes stretch helps the fisherman land nice fish and it is easier to unsnag from rocks using the spool-flick method.

  
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