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Reply #40 - Jul 5th, 2016 at 9:32pm
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Somewhere way back in this thread KF and others were discussing the finer details of constructing nickel/Titanium leaders. I'm finally embarking on this journey by gathering supplies and then "going into production". I've lost too many lures already this Spring and early summer on faulty, cheap terminal tackle that I was happy to use up to that point. Time to up my game.

Appreciate any feedback you folks have had in either constructing these handy, essential leaders or using them. Note: I copied KF's list of materials and techniques so I have the "recipe" to move forward.
  
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Reply #41 - Jul 5th, 2016 at 11:28pm
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I never could tie one of those leaders right, so I went a different path. I found some #1 size nickel sleeves that the # 25 wire will go thru 2x. I slide 2 sleeves on the wire and then add swivel/snap-lock and DOUBLE back thru the 2 sleeves.
I take a needle nose pliers and make a 90 degree bend after the first sleeve. I pull wire to desired loop size and then crimp the 2 sleeves. The last thing I do is cut the wire that is bent at the angle as close to the crimped sleeve as my little side cutters will allow.

If the edge is a little sharp, I hit it with a small diamond coated file I got from Harbor Freight as a hobbyist set.

When I'm all done I do a pull test like KF does.
So far they've held up that way. Just an alternative IF you can't do it the way KF described for whatever reason.


  
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Reply #42 - Jul 6th, 2016 at 2:03am
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Thanks ST. I was feeling as though I needed a backup option such as the crimp sleeves. I'm going to give the clinch knot a shot but I'm setting up to order the AFW 0.033in crimp sleeves (size 1) from jannsnetcraft just in case. I'm not endorsing them -- I just found what I needed there without having to do a lot of looking elsewhere!

I've had some amazing failures with terminal tackle of lesser quality in my first couple of trips this year. Everything from entire split rings and snaps disappearing from the end of my line (with my 10 buck flutter spoon!) to a wire leader coming back minus the snap swivel and rapala (SM).

I've had fish to the boat, only to dive with my SR09 chartreuse shad rap still attached to its lip never to be seen again (lake trout) as well as the infamous gaping yaw-head-shake that robs me of my picture proof of the monster I've hauled in plus the TDD11 firetiger deep diver (NP).

It's finally titanium time in my tackle box....hope this works!
  
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Reply #43 - Jul 6th, 2016 at 3:11am
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Right on Nanda, me too.  I am a bit lazy and just forked over the cash for a few titanium leaders. 

As long as we're talking losing fish ....  Last August I was on Sunday Lake in the Q trolling a deep diver (Excalibur?).  My rod was nearly lost as it pulled from my hands.  I'm thinking I'm snagged but soon a very heavy fish mosied out into deeper water.  I had a heck of a time pulling it up to gain ground on my real.

I tell my bowman to paddle us toward the lee shore as the breeze was taking us out into the lake.  As soon as the boat turns my line went slack.  I never lost tension but the barbless treble just pulled
free.

What upsets me the most is I never got a glimpse of it.  About a 1/2 hour earlier I boated a 25 inch trout.  Was this a trout?  Maybe a northern.  But, it could've been a huge walleye too.  I'll never know and the fish haunts me.  Didn't Captain Ahab go through something similar?  Maybe on every trip up there I will have to pass through Sunday and troll the southern shore in search of my "whale".  Cheesy Wink
  
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Reply #44 - Jul 6th, 2016 at 4:11am
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Jannsnetcraft is where I got mine PLUS crimpers that will crimp that small. I had some but they wouldn't crimp right on those # 1 sleeves. Be sure to do that pull test KF does after you do the first leader. No sense doing a bunch and finding out they won't hold when you need them too.
  
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Reply #45 - Jul 8th, 2016 at 3:07am
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While I'm chasing down that criimper let me relay that I put Suffix brand 8lb braid on my SPIREX reel. Big mistake. I lost several lures, at least one or two on every trip I've taken this year. The line is really not suited to troll as it frays and breaks off quite easy whenever it's trolled or a fish shakes to throw the lure (and cuts it). Sad Maybe I just bought some old stock (it was cheap)? It's off my SPIREX and the reel will be spooled with 10lb braid Fireline.
  
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Reply #46 - Jul 8th, 2016 at 3:31pm
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Two years ago at Canoecopia I learned that how you tie your knot with braided line makes a big difference.  I had trouble with my braided line breaking way too often.  What I learned is that I was generating too much heat when I tied my knot.  The line must be wet and when you tighten up your knot do it very slowing.  If your knot tightens too soon when you are pulling the knot tight it will generate too much heat.  I changed how I tighten my knots and the problem was solved.

For trolling I use a 20 pound test line.
  
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Reply #47 - Jul 8th, 2016 at 4:09pm
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Good points Westwood. Question for you: When you tighten your improved cinch knot or whichever knot you use, do you gently and slowly pull the standing line or the tag end? Also, what brand of 20lb braid do you have spooled up? I'm just curious -- I realize that there are several options out there and everyone has their favorite. Any advice would be great.
  
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Reply #48 - Jul 8th, 2016 at 4:43pm
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I use POWER PRO braid. It works for me but there are plenty of options out there. On my walleye/SM reel that when I'm casting/jigging I have 15 lb.

On my HEAVY trolling rod when I'm traveling I use 40 lb which is OVERKILL weight wise but still equal to 8 lb mono.

Why the 40? Well I've found that between the weight I carry and my double paddle when I snag up, even when drag is set light, I was losing a lot of lures.
Often even turning to go back especially in rougher water I broke the line.
Now with drag set right, that 40# will either stop me or pull the lure free.
Since going to that set-up I haven't lost ANY lures to snags.
Not for everyone but for me it works.

Westwood is right. The knot and wetting it and pulling slowly to snug means everything. I pull on both ends slowly after wetting.
  
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Reply #49 - Jul 9th, 2016 at 5:59am
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I've been using 20# suffix 832 and palomar knots for about 5 years and have never had a knot fail. will be switching to lighter power pro next year. made in usa.
  
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