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Re: Bear rope & pack hanging breakthrough
Reply #30 - Sep 3rd, 2014 at 12:19pm
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DB you got me beat.  My lift kit dry weight is 18.7 Oz.  as pictured in page one of this thread. That is with a 4 to 1 mechanical advantage (ya I know that is over kill).
All of the lines are stretchy nylon including the tree to tree line which is paracord.  I almost never get the line to come up tight against the trunk.  It almost always gets caught on limbs. So the line crosses several springy limbs before being ties off. I pull the line tight not leaving slack in case the wind blows.  Now I know I am doing it all wrong but my pack does not settle overnight even when it rains.
  
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Reply #31 - Sep 4th, 2014 at 5:41am
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It looks like you have at least twice as much rope as I do. Do you use it all?  Sometimes, at 50', my tree rope isn't long enough so I end up using the throw rope as an extension on the side that's short. It's 550 cord.

I try to avoid the springy branches. They complicate the throw/hang for me. I'll take a foot long vestige of a broken branch any day, especially when it's on the windward side of the tree at 15'. Less opportunity for tangles and looping the throw rope around a branch again.
  
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Re: Bear rope & pack hanging breakthrough
Reply #32 - Sep 4th, 2014 at 11:43am
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db wrote on Sep 4th, 2014 at 5:41am:
It looks like you have at least twice as much rope as I do. Do you use it all?  Sometimes, at 50', my tree rope isn't long enough so I end up using the throw rope as an extension on the side that's short. It's 550 cord.

I try to avoid the springy branches. They complicate the throw/hang for me. I'll take a foot long vestige of a broken branch any day, especially when it's on the windward side of the tree at 15'. Less opportunity for tangles and looping the throw rope around a branch again.

Its not that I like springy branches they just get in my way.
I have used all of the rope a couple of times but if I did not have that much rope there was probably another location that would have worked requiring less rope.  Having a 4 to 1 mechanical advantage requires more line to go over the pulleys making a tangle more likely.
  
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Reply #33 - Sep 5th, 2014 at 3:35am
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My food bag hang last weekend:

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Good news is that my daughter who is 9 took the line and basically walked this load back and then I helped her tie it off.

3/16in poly cord with brass sheave/stainless block from local hardware store. Not the best set up bit it worked. Smiley Thanks everyone!
  
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Reply #34 - Sep 5th, 2014 at 6:04am
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Congrats Nanda. Lots of ways to do things. Make it your own.  Thumbs Upup

I gotta ask, what might you do differently next time and how many pounds were you hanging? At first glance it looked like a person up there.  Grin
  
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Reply #35 - Sep 5th, 2014 at 2:57pm
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Congrats Nanda. Lots of ways to do things.


That's a point that should be kept in mind when we discuss just about anything here.

There is more than one way too do just about anything and if it works for you and your style of tripping, then that's good enough.

Sometimes are methods are really off base but half the fun is tweaking things in the off season in the hope we get it just right. Wink Grin Grin
  
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Re: Bear rope & pack hanging breakthrough
Reply #36 - Sep 6th, 2014 at 3:39am
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DB,

I could say that it was a lot of weight but it wasn't --- I'd guess it was between 35 and 40 pounds between about 3 bags. I might be underestimating but I think I'm close.

What to do differently? Hmmm. Better pulleys would help I think (I'm watching sales now for the sailboat pulleys I want).

I also had to improvise a "web sling" that I'm back home now and perfecting. Everytime I've hoisted a dry bag of food I've prayed silently that the backpack straps wouldn't tear out of the bag!

This time around, I brought 1" webbing along that had pre-fabbed loops stiched in. With a bit of ingenuity, I configured two loops that grabbed the blue dry bag at each end and was able to be cinched on top with a carabiner to the pulley.

I think that those are two things to work from my end: Pulleys and Web sling.

I like Azalea's method too with the two double sheave blocks. I have enough rope to accomplish that and it would make the rig weigh a bit less. I win on that count as I threw my rope-n-pulley configuration on a scale tonight and top out at about 29 ounces. I have to stop feeding that set-up!  Grin
  
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Reply #37 - Sep 7th, 2014 at 7:41pm
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HighnDry wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 3:39am:
DB,


I like Azalea's method too with the two double sheave blocks. I have enough rope to accomplish that and it would make the rig weigh a bit less. I win on that count as I threw my rope-n-pulley configuration on a scale tonight and top out at about 29 ounces. I have to stop feeding that set-up!  Grin


As I get older the more I look at what my pack and everything that goes in it weighs.
  
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Reply #38 - Sep 7th, 2014 at 9:25pm
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I agree MP....and appreciate your and everyone else advice on these things. I have one Harken 20mm micro block already for about 8 bucks (probably could have found it cheaper but it was the best deal I could find at the moment). I think it's about a 1/2oz in weight versus the hardware store pulleys that are about 3.5 to 4 oz. It all adds up! Looking for others now. Either Harken or Ronstan. I might start a new thread on just "lightweight" gear because I've found gerber axes to silynyon tarps that have dropped 10s of pounds off of my portage pack....and I'm still looking   Cheesy
  
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Reply #39 - Sep 8th, 2014 at 1:08pm
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"I also had to improvise a "web sling" that I'm back home now and perfecting. Everytime I've hoisted a dry bag of food I've prayed silently that the backpack straps wouldn't tear out of the bag!"

I just keep one extra piece of rope in my kit - just 1/8' paracord type of stuff, maybe 15' long?  I just wrap that around the food bag (vertically) maybe 3 or 4 times, and clip to that, not to the shoulder straps or grab loop.
  
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