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Sep 6th, 2014 at 7:38am
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I got the talk this year. I even walked back to my campsite once pinching some TP between two fingers for kicks. If someone were there watching me and I knew there would be a test … maybe a few small waxed paper bags instead of the jinormus yellow garbage bags Q has been offering for years would be a nice touch. I always come back with more garbage than I create but that huge yellow bag is for covering firewood.

Personally, I'd rather pick up or plant any TP I find (if I'm so inclined) than to be greeted with it in the fireplace filled with that and foil and other garbage I'd rather pick out when I arrive. Don't make me sort through it any more than I already do. In probably around ~50 trips, so 500 plus nights, I swear I have never seen TP that was dug up by any animal OR by myself.

Perhaps this is a way to call attention to a problem. If so, it's not working for me until folks take their used TP with them to burn at their leisure. Mine was a solo trip btw.

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Reply #1 - Sep 6th, 2014 at 11:40am
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For a long time I wold just cover and like db I have never witnessed it dug up butt what's is so hard about taking it back to camp and burning the stuff? Seems like the right thing to do all things considered IMHO and the way I will proceed in the future.
  
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Reply #2 - Sep 6th, 2014 at 2:24pm
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I've been burning TP for years. When I make the trip into the woods I pick up hollow tubes of birch bark as both caddy and accelerant, further scraps of birch bark ensure complete combustion.
  
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Reply #3 - Sep 6th, 2014 at 8:32pm
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Solus wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 2:24pm:
I've been burning TP for years. When I make the trip into the woods I pick up hollow tubes of birch bark as both caddy and accelerant, further scraps of birch bark ensure complete combustion.


I burn mine, but I do it a little different than most.
Obviously this can't be done in dry/fire conditions, but then you shouldn't have a campfire then either.

I dig my cat hole, do my business THEN take my Bic and light the paper in the cat hole. Wait a few seconds to insure complete burn and no hot ashes in air, then cover with dirt/duff and mark spot with stick.

Works fine for me, but might be an issue for others.
  
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Reply #4 - Sep 6th, 2014 at 11:12pm
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Burn your TP in your cat hole? Kids don't try this at home. This is about as bad an idea as I have heard in a long time. I suppose it can be done responsibly but the potential for unintended consequences (even if they are remote) is to great to advocate such a tack. I think this is an extremely poor idea and besides why not just burn it in an established fire ring? Not sure I see much upside Thumbs Updown
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Reply #5 - Sep 7th, 2014 at 2:28pm
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Obviously this can't be done in dry/fire conditions, but then you shouldn't have a campfire then either.


I don't know how much TP others use, but unless there is a fire ban in effect or your cat hole of choice is in a dry spot, I can't see how ANY fire risk can come from burning a few pieces of facial tissue ( my TP of choice, stronger and you use less) in a cat hole?

I've never dug a hole in a spot that wasn't damp/moist and after burning I replace soil, tamp down with foot and mark to warn others.

Takes 3 things for fire, fuel/air/heat. My method eliminates 2 of them.

I have no issue with people putting TP in a designated fire pit if that makes them feel safer doing it, but from the amount of TP that sometimes is left unburned in fire pits, I can only assume they think it will just burn when the next poor SOB uses the camp spot.

Not a fan of finding a dirty fire pit but unburned aluminum foil/ food wrappers are one thing, poo paper is another.

I can speak for others but since that fire pit is also used as a cook spot by many and that may include grilling fish or reflecting oven baking, the idea of using the same spot as a incinerator for bodily waste doesn't hold much appeal too me, no matter how remote the chances of unburned fecal matter being left to contaminate your campsite meal. Tongue

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Reply #6 - Sep 7th, 2014 at 8:53pm
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I just finished a trip and 2 times while picking al foil out of the fire pit I find tissue paper that is wet and dirty.  I do not know what the dirt was but did not want to touch it.  I don’t like carrying dirty TP back to the fire pit or burning anything in the duff where I dig my cat hole.  I do not like cooking over used tp! The new rules to burn your TP is making it harder for those who follow the rules while trying to solve a non-problem.  I don’t think I have ever seen TP coming back to the surface in any quantity.
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This TP was never buried! It does not make any difference what they make the rule followers do it will not change this situation.
  
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Reply #7 - Sep 7th, 2014 at 9:11pm
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My guess is that was a pack of girl scouts.  We found the same thing at a Quetico campsite earlier in August.  Probably 20 small clusters of tp mostly by the tent pads.  No feces anywhere so I assumed we were dealing with young, rookie females in the woods not wanting to venture far from the tent after too much cocoa around the campfire.  I used my hand spade to collect all the piles and carried it back to the woods and buried.
  
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Reply #8 - Sep 7th, 2014 at 9:45pm
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As with almost anything, there is a difference on how something works when practiced by experienced/careful people and when practiced by "yahoos".  The burning of TP under ANY circumstances can present dangers.  More than one forest fire has been started by a rogue gust of wind and burning TP.  That danger is reduced if the burning TP is surrounded by a cleared area, typically the case where a fire pit is located.

There is plenty of air under ground to sustain fire. One of the ways forest fires travel is by burning underground, following a tree's root system.

So burning TP in the fire place I will be cooking in?  Ewwww.  Telling every yahoo going into the park to burn it in a cat hole?  Just asking for trouble. I don't have a solution. 

Except maybe giving everyone headed into Q a cork.  Roll Eyes
  
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Reply #9 - Sep 7th, 2014 at 10:36pm
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Solution = Put a rock on it!
  
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