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Reply #50 - Jan 7th, 2015 at 12:25am
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i used to ice fish without a shack at all when i was younger. we would brave the cold and go stand out on a frozen lake. we would walk laps around our tipup spread chipping the ice out in a never ending loop. we walked to stay warm, but we had fun. since then ive invested in the popup sled style shack and take that with me to smaller lakes. I even have 3 large insulated shacks that are nicer than some homes. is it more enjoyable in the big shacks? maybe, i like the simplicity sometimes, i like the illusion of mortality.
  
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Reply #51 - Jan 7th, 2015 at 1:58am
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I grew up in the UP. We lived in a little shack of a house. I used to spend all my time outside, summer and winter, unless the snow was too deep to walk in. One night after being outside all day, I was lying in bed looking up at the stars thinking "where the hell is the roof". I learned to appreciate a warm shelter and soft bed.
  
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Reply #52 - Jan 7th, 2015 at 4:37pm
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Jaximus, Back to our original thought. I've only camped in a tent twice in the winter, and thought it sounded great too. I love the winter, but  IMO it's better enjoyed if you can get back out of it and warm back up.
Probably some cabins on the Gunflint Trail where you could access lakes with skis or snowshoes for the day.

FWIW, I just ran my traps, nothing today. But I did get 3 mice this week, I'll visit the basement later this evening after skiing and snowshoeing.
  
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Reply #53 - Jan 7th, 2015 at 6:01pm
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But I did get 3 mice this week, I'll visit the basement later this evening after skiing and snowshoeing.


Your not planning on this are you JJS?  Wink Grin Grin

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Reply #54 - Jan 7th, 2015 at 6:27pm
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Jim J Solo wrote on Jan 7th, 2015 at 4:37pm:
FWIW, I just ran my traps, nothing today. But I did get 3 mice this week, I'll visit the basement later this evening after skiing and snowshoeing.


Hey Jim J Solo has grit to........I suggest prompt medical attention, I think you can get a prescription these days.

Funny how life works........today I biked in shorts and a pullover and yet I am pining away completely jealous of you guys who are snowshoeing and skiing in the great white north.

  
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Reply #55 - Jan 7th, 2015 at 6:33pm
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solotripper wrote on Jan 7th, 2015 at 6:01pm:
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Your not planning on this are you JJS?  Wink Grin Grin

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Hmmmm........sounds fishy to me. Wolves eat mostly mice and just pick on the weak and old caribou? Certainly doesn't jive with what I have heard........During the annual caribou migration It is my understanding that wolf packs get the herds running and snap the back hamstring and put down as many as they can. Those reporting the behavior have suggested it seemed like "sport" to them. They certainly have the equipment to do the job. That has more the ring of truth in my mind.

Not saying thats a bad thing........everything has to eat and littering a valley with caribou puts some meat on the bones of every fox, raven and bear within miles.
  
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Reply #56 - Jan 7th, 2015 at 7:21pm
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That movie was based on this Canadian authors life long love of nature and the wild.

He lived one hell of a life.

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He lived the life depicted in the movie.
His observations about Wolves have been largely proven and accepted by experts in the field.
Wolves are not and never have been the mindless killers that they've been made out to be, by people who fear what they don't understand and others who profited off the bounties on them.
  
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Reply #57 - Jan 7th, 2015 at 8:03pm
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Think what you want........plenty of ammo to counter that opinion that is for certain. Lots of critters in the wild are just that......mindless killers with zero conscience about taking life.

Are the wolves sometimes satiated and fat and happy and ignore the plenteous game around them. Sure, absolutely. But stories are legion of wolves being killing machines and bringing down more than they could eat in months. What explains that?

And how about cute little mink who kill everything that crosses their paths if they are able to catch it? Much of it is left behind.

I'm no expert on wolves so I am just going by what I have read numerous times. I do not have a romanticized perspective about wolves. "Experts"in the field? You mean professors funded by some university? I'll take the word of the folks who live and work and share the land with the wolves who aren't funded my some grant money to achieve a politically correct conclusion.

Not saying wolves are bad (although I might have a different perspective if I were a rancher or an Eskimo whose child was eaten).......such seemingly abhorrent behavior supplies plenty of food for other animals and often at a crucial time of year.

This is an interesting article......I read the entire thing and it brought to bear a political consequence effecting hunters I had not considered before. Quite enlightening. Towards the end the author makes my case which I have read many many times over from other eyewitness accounts of wolf behavior.

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FWIW......growing up Farley was a favorite read of mine.

  
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Reply #58 - Jan 7th, 2015 at 9:34pm
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Think what you want..


I think what I've gleaned from watching hundred of hours on Nature documentaries made by people who's job it is to set state and federal guidelines for wildlife management. They get paid for their work either way, so they have no axe to grind, just what the field work tells them.

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But stories are legion of wolves being killing machines and bringing down more than they could eat in months. What explains that?


That's what they are, "stories". Wolfs like ALL predators are opportunist. They rather take down a weak young/old prey animal than one that could potentially gore/stomp them to death or make them lame and unable to keep up with the pack, a sure death sentence in the wild.

I've never read any DOCUMETNED accounts of wolves just killing to kill. They might chase plenty more than they can actually bring down but most predators go hungry far more than they get their prey.

NOVA had a excellent documentary about a biologist who spent a year following the wolf packs in Yellowstone. He filmed numerous wolf kills and far more misses. They circle the herd making  bluff charges into the herd until a calf/mother or an older adult makes a break for it. Then they run them until they stand they can't run anymore and turn to fight. It's all over then. The strong survive and the weak perish. That weeds out the poor genes and insures the survivors have the strongest genes to pass on to the next generation.

The Native People who knew/ know their LAND better than anyone, revered the Wolf and I doubt they would of felt that way IF they were just mindless killing machines.

IF wolves were just killing machines or ANY predators for that matter, they'd soon hunt/kill themselves out of existence. That's not how the balance of nature works.


When they re-introduced wolves to Yellowstone Park the anti-would people said it would be the end of the ELK herds, nothing could be farther from the truth. Elk had over populated the park and the gene pool was poor. They overgrazed their favorite trees to the point the Beavers who ate them as well, disappeared from the park.
Now the wolves have got the Elk herd in balance, the trees are coming back and so are the Beaver, who by damming the little streams keep the water in the park and give life to all the little critters that live in the marshlands.

Q-Dave got 2 nice deer this year, both dressed out over 200 lbs. Both taken right outside the Park in either pulp wood cuts, or recently re-planted forested areas. More deer there than in park, wolves too. All that old growth underbrush makes it hard for deer/moose to browse. The wolf packs have picked up on the deer moving there and followed them.

Plenty of healthy deer and wolves, everything in balance. Biggest issue for both is if they have another brutal winter like last year?

I read that article in the link.
You said you rather take the word of people who are not FUNDED to get a PC conclusion.
Did you happen to see who's "funding" the writer of that article?

T. R. Mader is Research Director for Abundant Wildlife Society of North America (AWS), a private wildlife research organization dedicated to the preservation of the Great North American Traditions of Hunting, Fishing and Trapping.

Hardly an unbiased expert.

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I don't see anything regarding his educational qualifications for being a "Research Director" for anything, never mind Wolves. He's a guy with an "opinion", and a very biased one at that.
  
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Reply #59 - Jan 7th, 2015 at 9:47pm
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I know its pointless to try and change ST's mind once he has something in his head.......and instead of the correct response which would of been> "hey, thanks MT for taking the time to post that link, it sort of opened my eyes to the slightest possibility that what I have been told by the PBS nature documentaries might not be entirely true and even though I hate your guts I know your not a liar and if you say you have read many accounts of wolves killing indiscriminately I might be inclined to search out the issue and see for myself what the real truth is.........maybe its somewhere in between, that wolves only kill what they need, until they decide to go on a binge and kill just for the fun of it."

That was response "B". Instead, as per usual, you double down on your way or the highway.

BTW......the author of the article, instead of bringing into question the substance of his arguments you attack him on a personal level. That has a very familiar ring to it from my vantage point. Anyways, I personally I believe that the real conservationists have always been hunters, fishermen and trappers who work to set land aside for what they love to do and nobody but nobody wants abundant and healthy populations of animals more than these folk .

Hey and one other thing.......why does Canada have managed wolf hunts? Geez, do their biologists have it wrong and PBS has it right? Why do they feel the need to thin them out by 1/2 or more? I wonder why that would be? Hmmmm?
  
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