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Reply #60 - Jan 7th, 2015 at 11:12pm
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The eye of a needle is a biblical reference which I think was made by Jesus.  I am not a biblical scholar, but I did go to Sunday School.  The eye of a needle is basically a cattle guard.  It is a gate to a city or other structure which is so small that a camel can't enter the city.  As a kid I had a hard time forming a mental picture of a camel going through the eye of a sewing needle.  Later as an adult I learned that the eye of a needle referred to a gate.
  
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Reply #61 - Jan 7th, 2015 at 11:32pm
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.why does Canada have managed wolf hunts? Geez, do their biologists have it wrong and PBS has it right?


First off, PBS Nova/Nature NEVER said they were against managing the wolf's or any other species by either "culling" by naturalists or allowing a limited or MAYBE a open hunting season.
What their against are people that out of ignorance and unfounded fear, wanted to kill wolves in a eco-system like Yellowstone when there was clearly plenty of natural food for the limited amount of wolves in the area. When/IF the wolf numbers get greater than their food source, they'll use whatever sound wildlife management techniques they deem necessary and that may or may not include hunting?

Canada has a far greater land mass and highest ratio of wilderness to people that the US does.
Wolves in Canada are not considered "endangered" in the areas that allow hunting. I'm sure IF that changes, the Canadian BIOLOGIST will address it and act accordingly.

All those people on those PBS shows are field biologists with advanced degrees. Most are also hunters and fishermen themselves They spend summers/winters, doing the hard science. They track animal movements with radio collars, check kills and examine bite marks to see what predator did the kill. They take scat samples and analysis what the animals are eating. Tranquilize animals and take Blood samples to see how their doing and get DNA samples to check the gene pools, necessary for a healthy herd.

They do this to let the FACTS dictate the policy, not undocumented "stories" that are more fear/bias based than factual PROVEABLE accounts.

Yes, I stand behind their expert opinions because of all I've alluded too and the fact all the state and federal wildlife agencies do as well.

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I didn't attack him on a personal level, I said that he had NO degreed educational background that would lead me to believe he was more qualified than the real professionals with actual scientific degrees?

Other than the fact his Bio reads like a Mini-MT, I don't see anything that qualifies him giving ANYTHING but his own opinion, a heavily biased one at that.

I pointed that salient fact out so my fellow QJers IF so inclined can look at my frame of expert reference and the one you linked too.
Let everyone decide for themselves who they feel is MORE qualified to recommend conservation policy.







  
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Reply #62 - Jan 8th, 2015 at 12:21am
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Westwood wrote on Jan 7th, 2015 at 11:12pm:
The eye of a needle is a biblical reference which I think was made by Jesus.  I am not a biblical scholar, but I did go to Sunday School.  The eye of a needle is basically a cattle guard.  It is a gate to a city or other structure which is so small that a camel can't enter the city.  As a kid I had a hard time forming a mental picture of a camel going through the eye of a sewing needle.  Later as an adult I learned that the eye of a needle referred to a gate.


Yeah, I understand the reference, Westwood.  It's harder for a rich man to enter the Kingdom than a camel to go through the eye of a needle.  You see, it wasn't impossible, only difficult, but a camel could could enter the through the eye of the needle on it's knees.  It's a reference to humility and where one puts their faith.  I was just wondering how it related to the fore mentioned parable of Jesus (which was a literal translation of the Aramaic, if I am correct  Wink)
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Reply #63 - Jan 8th, 2015 at 12:31am
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Ice fishing?? Cool
  
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Reply #64 - Jan 8th, 2015 at 2:06am
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Hey who knows? I'm merely suggesting that you have an open mind ST and tolerate the possibility that you might be wrong thats all. I'm no wolf expert and in fact have only seen one in the wild when it chased a moose into a lake in Algonquin. Pretty cool.....sounded like a house falling into the water and Mr Wolf bouncing excitedly on the bank.

That was only the first thing I came across after a brief search. Thanks for the bio......seems like my kind of guy Wink As I have mentioned before I have read about this sort of behavior several times in the numerous books I have on the Arctic, Canadian and polar regions. Are they making stuff up? I rather doubt it........I think that wolves, like lots of carnivores, go on killing sprees and such sprees aren't uncommon in the least. The carnage I described earlier from one of my readings was actually worse than I related. According to the author the caribou run a gauntlet of various packs during the annual migration and are chased continually with the wolves clipping the hamstrings. True? I don't know for sure but it is a rather old book written long ago before there was any agendas and the caribou herds were thick indeed.

One thing I will agree with you on is while wolves may be bloodthirsty (it is after all what they eat) I don't believe they are into continual slaughter all the time. Way to much chance of getting injured.......so they pick their moments, when there is a decided advantage and the odds of getting injured are slim.

The major point of the authors article (besides the few paragraphs where he relates incidences of wolves killing because they can) was rather alarming from a sportsman point of view and makes perfect sense. Keep the wolves on the endangered species list, convince the public they are little more than a larger version of their pet German Shepherd, and then ban hunting through the courts using data biologists gather stating that there isn't enough game for wolves and hunters. Hunters will have to give way.......very common strategy for all sorts of causes just plug in different names.

But enough about wolves.......have you ever seen the movie "The House of the Flying Daggers"? A Kung Fu movie but it is so cool. The costumes, the colors, the music, the stylized fighting scenes. And the plot.......a little hard to follow but it has it all.......love, betrayal, loyalties are tested. Sure its over the top but very entertaining and eye candy. Rent it or buy it used.......its around.

Hey wait a minute......we hi-jacked Jax's thread (say that 5 times fast Wink ). Not sure I get the fish and sleep out of the same hut. Sounds complicated........I think I need some pics.   
  
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Reply #65 - Jan 8th, 2015 at 12:04pm
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A few more thoughts........amazing what a good nights sleep can accomplish (I was in bed at 9:30!). You want to believe the "experts"....the people with pieces of paper which indicate how smart (and obviously noble) they are. I used to be swayed by such claims until I wised up.

I credit Jim Tour of Rice University, one of the top 10 chemists in the world for enlightening me as to why I should not place complete trust in the scientific community.
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It is his belief that many scientists are polled about politically correct beliefs such as evolution and global warming and answer in the affirmative not because they believe its true but rather because they have a vested interest. Mr Tour asserts that a relatively small group of people will decide who gets published in scientific journals and who gets grants. Ah! I get it.......add in that they are often polled about questions outside their fields and it is very easy to check the box that says sure, especially since it might cost you if you don't. Are you getting the picture? We are living in an age where there is intolerance of politically incorrect views. Step out of line and expect to get punished.

Take Global Warming as an example.......we have climate gate where the noble scientists decided to falsify data because it didn't follow computer models. The Emails show how casual they were about having to lie. And then we have the famed "Hockey stick graph" which was used so effectively in Al Gores movie.......unfortunately the graph is false and it took a freedom of information act lawsuit to evaluate the quoted scientist work in question......turns out he purposely left out 2 very significant climactic changes. Graph might have looked whole lots different. I wonder how much he was paid to arrive at that "scientific proof" that made its way into Mr Gores movie?

The experts? ST you state unequivocally that biologists are also hunters and fishermen. Um, how did you arrive at that conclusion as to state it as fact? Probably more true 50 years ago but my hunch that todays wildlife biologist is just as likely to be a strident anti hunter and coming up with lots of data to prove hunting is destroying our natural resource (hunters are the cause of caribou decline not wolves > sound familiar?). And what about it........the wildlife biologist comes in and does a 6 month or maybe a year study (who provided the grant? Just wondering is all) comes to some conclusions and extrapolates the results to all of Wolfdom (Hey, I like the sound of that, "Wolfdom"). We are going to take that as gospel over the people who have spent their entire lives with wolves and have observed them playfully going through a herd like a sickle through wheat? And its funny how the media seldom shows wolves tearing their meals apart while still alive with blood all over their faces and chest, their prey bleating while the pack snaps and snarls. Just sayin......doesn't bother me, I understand the whole circle of life thing.

   
  
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Reply #66 - Jan 8th, 2015 at 12:37pm
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I'd like to go ice fishing.
  
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Reply #67 - Jan 8th, 2015 at 2:01pm
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Reply #68 - Jan 8th, 2015 at 2:39pm
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solotripper wrote on Jan 7th, 2015 at 6:01pm:
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But I did get 3 mice this week, I'll visit the basement later this evening after skiing and snowshoeing.


Your not planning on this are you JJS?  Wink Grin Grin

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:dankk2 but not eating them, not even skinning them for their pelts. Like the Farley Mowat books too.
  
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Reply #69 - Jan 8th, 2015 at 2:59pm
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Wolves kill Eskimo children?
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