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Reply #70 - Jan 8th, 2015 at 3:19pm
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Jon wrote on Jan 8th, 2015 at 2:59pm:
Wolves kill Eskimo children?
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Hi Jon, did you get that farm you were thinking about getting? Sounded great!

One of the most enjoyable reads I have ever had the pleasure of spending time with is called "Arctic Adventure" by Peter Freuchen. I have read it several times and will read it again......simply an amazing read. I picked it up in a used bookstore many years ago and it was quite old and rather expensive, hardback complete with B/W photos. I see that it is still available at Amazon and in paperback if I remember correctly. Anyway I promise you no regrets if you take the plunge or ST will refund your money.

I wouldn't know about wolves eating eskimo children as I don't know any Eskimos except for Eskimo Joe in Stillwater Oklahoma. But Mr. Freuchen might know, ask him.
  
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Reply #71 - Jan 8th, 2015 at 3:37pm
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mastertangler wrote on Jan 7th, 2015 at 8:03pm:
Think what you want........plenty of ammo to counter that opinion that is for certain. Lots of critters in the wild are just that......mindless killers with zero conscience about taking life.

Are the wolves sometimes satiated and fat and happy and ignore the plenteous game around them. Sure, absolutely. But stories are legion of wolves being killing machines and bringing down more than they could eat in months. What explains that?

And how about cute little mink who kill everything that crosses their paths if they are able to catch it? Much of it is left behind.

I'm no expert on wolves so I am just going by what I have read numerous times. I do not have a romanticized perspective about wolves. "Experts"in the field? You mean professors funded by some university? I'll take the word of the folks who live and work and share the land with the wolves who aren't funded my some grant money to achieve a politically correct conclusion.

Not saying wolves are bad (although I might have a different perspective if I were a rancher or an Eskimo whose child was eaten).......such seemingly abhorrent behavior supplies plenty of food for other animals and often at a crucial time of year.

This is an interesting article......I read the entire thing and it brought to bear a political consequence effecting hunters I had not considered before. Quite enlightening. Towards the end the author makes my case which I have read many many times over from other eyewitness accounts of wolf behavior.

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FWIW......growing up Farley was a favorite read of mine.


  
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Reply #72 - Jan 8th, 2015 at 5:59pm
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Ice is slippery!

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Reply #73 - Jan 8th, 2015 at 11:53pm
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MT should be a farmer, he wouldn't have to buy any fertilizer.
  
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Reply #74 - Jan 9th, 2015 at 12:20pm
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Westwood wrote on Jan 8th, 2015 at 11:53pm:
MT should be a farmer, he wouldn't have to buy any fertilizer.


Come on Westwood, why be a hater? Just trying to be interesting is all......casual conversation. The accusers, never saying why your wrong but always saying your a "bad person". Its their style, are you a politician or a lawyer or a liberal?

So what is now that I have said which is offensive? Because I have a different opinion? A different perspective and am willing to stand toe to toe in a light form of verbal fisticuffs? I have been polite throughout.......

So I don't buy into the the noble wolf looking skyward with its chest puffed out as it casually surveys its domain carefully evaluating the herds of caribou or deer and elk and seeing which are sick and old and need to be gently removed.....for the good of all. I'm not a wolf hater but the only Bullsh*t in this conversation is that perspective IMHO (since you brought up fertilizer).

The intolerance of some is breathtaking in this society and it is spreading like a cancer. Don't follow the politically correct line and your going to get smeared. Its obvious you can't win the debate so you have to go personal and discredit the messenger. Don't be intolerant.......the only thing that matters is truth, be open to it. Is it possible that what I am conveying is true? That the eyewitness sources I have related aren't liars? That should be the only concept which should concern you. But people don't want to be educated (open to truth), they want to stay in their comfortable belief systems and woe to those who dare to suggest otherwise.

Here is what I believe about wolves according to what I have read. Generally speaking ST's perspective is correct. They take what they need (which is still considerable). But I also believe they are opportunistic and yes I do think they take some pleasure in the kill and when the opportunity presents itself I believe some bloodlust kicks in and they use the tools provided to knock down enormous quantities of game. From a biological standpoint this isn't always a bad thing as other animals will find the booty and often at a difficult time of year. But thats just my opinion arrived at through what I have read. I could be wrong and the various accounts I have read could be false. I have no first hand knowledge.

I also don't buy into the concept that wolves don't eat people. I believe they can and will but only in extreme cold and they are on the verge of starvation. That there is no documented proof in North America doesn't surprise me.......there would be little, if anything, left. In the Arctic it wasn't that unusual or unheard of for Eskimo children to be taken. I suspect that this happened largely before the rifle was introduced into the culture. After that any bold wolf would be a dead wolf.

I am currently reading "Across Arctic America" by Knud Rasmussen who was a close friend of the afore mentioned Peter Fruechen (Arctic Adventure). It was a 20,000 mile dog sled trek across Greenland to Siberia from 1921 to 1924> done as a scientific expedition with a focus on the Eskimo people, it is fascinating.



  
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Reply #75 - Jan 9th, 2015 at 6:49pm
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Perhaps I am not cut out for this type of interaction. A little to brusque, a little to rough around the edges? I have given some thought this morning as to why my perspective is slighted. Perhaps it is not my evaluation of wolves at all but rather my callousness towards the scientific community....the "experts" as it were. Maybe therein is the crux as to why I am full of fecal matter?

Yes tis true I am not completely convinced when I hear claims that 90% of scientists believe this, that or the other thing. I am of a continual skeptical mind having lived long enough to know better ("you can keep your doctor" etc. etc).

I will provide a perspective of a man who by all appearances seems beyond reproach. Do yourself a favor and read what he has to say......it is very illuminating. His name is Jim Tour of Rice University and he is considered one of the top ten chemists in the world with numerous patents and abundant articles published. I think he presents a very fair account of creation vs evolution.........but what is telling is that he has personally witnessed colleagues punished for stating they have doubts about macro-evolution. What I find even more reprehensible and alarming is that he tells his students if they want to advance in their careers not to voice opposition publicly to evolution. Is this what we want? Intolerance and no diversity of thought?

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So how does this intolerance manifest itself in the scientific community? How about that you don't get your work published by the "powers that be" or you don't get grant money. Not buying into the "cause"? So much for your career.

When I woke today I had wanted to talk about where you guys ice fish for lakers. Are they shallow on top of some reef? The QJ member I trout fished with earlier this fall played me some video he had of an October 2014 trip where he and a friend caught 30 lakers in a row. That was impressive! Unfortunately the trip ended abruptly the following day when a nasty cold front blew in and left them windbound for several days straight.....such is fall tripping I suppose.

   
  
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Reply #76 - Jan 9th, 2015 at 7:54pm
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It's obvious MT isn't going to " LET IT GO", so anyone who's interested should go to that link and read Tour's "THEORY".

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THEN: To be fair and get both sides of the argument, Go here and read this.

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Take PARTICULAR note of the highlighted paragraphs.
They get right to the "meat" of the "controversy".

Read them both and decide which one you think is more valid/plausible?
  
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Reply #77 - Jan 9th, 2015 at 8:39pm
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Yes by all means read the humble Mr Tour who concedes he doesn't understand from a chemical standpoint how Macroevolution can occur and then read the detractors "hit" piece and decide for yourself who is the better man. It wasn't enough for you ST that Tour also states he sees no proof of Intelligent Design on a purely scientific perspective? Controversy? I see none and in fact I note that Mr Tour took great pains to avoid as much.  

Just a guess, but my suspicion is the attacker probably couldn't hold a candle to the credentials of Mr Tour.

But the God Haters abound......... I find it astonishing ST that you took the time to search out a smear piece on such a fine man. It speaks volumes......do you have any idea how creepy that is?...Can we say "intolerance"? Are we, on a societal level, understanding what is going on yet? 
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Reply #78 - Jan 9th, 2015 at 10:34pm
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Smear piece?
Shouldn't the readers decide that for themselves?

Hardly the response one would expect from a guy who NEVER misses a chance to tell everyone he's a " Man of Science and a Seeker of "truthiness"

We agree on one thing. It's creepy all right. Roll Eyes
  
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Reply #79 - Jan 10th, 2015 at 12:41am
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in wisconsin they had a wolf hunt this year. my numbers are probably off, but i throw them out there. i think all the tags were filled within the first couple days, meaning they were easy to harvest. this coming year they took the wolves off of the harvest list and back on the endangered one.

in a world without people the balance of nature would keep deer/wolves/elk/moose in line. but, being that deer are north americas #1 big game species, humans are harvesting some of what wolves would naturally take. as long as im not on the menu of a wolf, i dont really have much of an issue with their existence. i know many guys with land near where i hunt that have wolves showing up on trail cameras pretty regularly. kinda spooky.

wolves probably would have helped the EHD and chronic wasting disease issues with deer herds in wisconsin and iowa.
  
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