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Reply #10 - Mar 12th, 2015 at 5:19am
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I generally go with my wife to Beaverhouse the end of August.  I have one of those fancy thermometer which measures water temperature every five feet.  Beaverhouse is a large deep lake.  When I checked the temperature, it was 50 degrees at 30 feet.  At 45 feet it was around 42 degrees.  So there really isn't any need to go much deeper that 35 feet as trout will come up to get a lure.  The Rapala tail dancers will go down to 30 feet when they are trolled.  If the water is really deep I have even used 6 ounce weights to get down a little deeper.  Depending on your speed a six ounce weight doesn't go much deeper than 45 feet.  Of course, how deep a lure runs also depends on how much line you have out.  I found that in 50 feet of water a six ounce weight is not getting caught on rocks.  I generally use a flutter spoon with the heavier weights.  For trout water temperature is really important.
  
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Reply #11 - Mar 12th, 2015 at 9:52am
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i bring a couple weights as well as jets/dipsys up there for trolling spoons and shallow cranks. the idea was to streamline the tackle box so that i could have a bunch of shallow stuff of all different colors that i could use on any lake at any time. that way i could save money and not have as many specialized baits... that plain failed.. miserably!

when it comes down to it, i have deep diving cranks on while trolling. between tail dancers, x raps and hot n tots, i have all the depths/actions/colors covered that i could possibly want to target, and its simple. no extra stuff hanging on the line.

i do admit though, the first time seeing the rod double over while dragging a 30 ft taildancer i was a little nervous.
  
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Reply #12 - Mar 12th, 2015 at 1:11pm
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Westwood wrote on Mar 12th, 2015 at 5:19am:
I generally go with my wife to Beaverhouse the end of August.  I have one of those fancy thermometer which measures water temperature every five feet.  Beaverhouse is a large deep lake.  When I checked the temperature, it was 50 degrees at 30 feet.  At 45 feet it was around 42 degrees.  So there really isn't any need to go much deeper that 35 feet as trout will come up to get a lure.  The Rapala tail dancers will go down to 30 feet when they are trolled.  If the water is really deep I have even used 6 ounce weights to get down a little deeper.  Depending on your speed a six ounce weight doesn't go much deeper than 45 feet.  Of course, how deep a lure runs also depends on how much line you have out.  I found that in 50 feet of water a six ounce weight is not getting caught on rocks.  I generally use a flutter spoon with the heavier weights.  For trout water temperature is really important.

Wow, 6 oz.  Really?  That seems like an awful lot of weight.  I also have one of those Fish Hawk's so I can read the water temps. but I've never had to use more than 3 oz to get down into trout zone.  That being said, water temperatures can really vary from year to year.  Last summer 35' was in the 50 degree range which is prime for trout (I believe 48 - 53 degrees is their ideal zone.)  But a couple of years back I remember that I had to go down to around 45'.  If lakes are in the same watershed, I haven't found much variance from one lake to another but if they're not then it can be different.
As for deep diving jerks, I do carry a few Taildancers and have had some success with Walleye but I don't like all that drag that you get with a long billed deep diving lure.  Anyway that's just me.  I just wanted to get feedback from folks who like to fish with flutter spoons on how best to utilize them.
  
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Reply #13 - Mar 12th, 2015 at 5:12pm
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To clarify my earlier post, by carrying two 2oz and one 3 oz weight, I can create the following. 2oz, 3oz, 4oz, 5oz, and 7oz. As Westwood pointed out, it is seldom necessary to go any deeper than 30-45'. These combos will cover that range. Wink
  
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Reply #14 - Mar 12th, 2015 at 5:44pm
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PhantomJug wrote on Mar 11th, 2015 at 8:46pm:
Jimbo wrote on Mar 11th, 2015 at 7:51pm:
I have found them to be very effective.


There's always one that has to be contrary.


Sutton featherlites have been particularly effective for me around those Cirrus Lake haunts of YOURS, PJ. 

Maybe I'll follow you up there someday and harvest some of the spots you've given up on....

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Reply #15 - Mar 12th, 2015 at 6:54pm
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Jimbo wrote on Mar 11th, 2015 at 7:51pm:
I troll with Sutton Featherlites May thru October up there. 
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Jimbo -- I googled "Sutton Featherlite Fishing Spoons" and couldn't find anything with "featherlite."  I did find reference to flutter trolling spoons. 

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Reply #16 - Mar 12th, 2015 at 7:58pm
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Could it be one of these Sutton FLUTTER spoons and the Featherlite is a "nickname" :question

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Reply #17 - Mar 12th, 2015 at 8:22pm
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Mine are pretty old.  "Featherlite" is what they were going by way back when.  I had to replace a some a couple years back and, yes, I noticed they are being called "flutter" spoons nowadays.  You can get them in  4 or 6 inches, silver or bronze, hammered or polished finishes, or even silver on one side & bronze on the other.  They weigh next-to-nothing and pack very efficiently (ie. I can store six or seven in a compartment that generally holds but 1 lure).

I've caught all the Big Four on these spoons.  I may occasionally put on a two oz clip-on but seldom more.  They really don't need to be trolled any deeper than 25-30 feet, even when LT are quite deep.  I've had big trout come up from 60-80 feet to hit them in 20-25 feet of water... the "flash" is that good (particularly silver on a sunny day).  Mostly I use them on lake trout when my Options # 1,2, & 3 fail to produce.  They seem to work really well when you know the lakers are hitting on Ciscoes.  I've also had big deep-water pike come up for them but then again what won't big pike hit? (Option #1 on big pike = old, rusty Schlitz can pierced by mega-hook; use 6oz sinker to counter-balance air bubbles in can).

Basically, I like them because they pack easy & are a good 2nd option, multi-species lure.

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Reply #18 - Mar 12th, 2015 at 8:42pm
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Well leave it to Jimbo to stir up the Hornet's nest. Grin

All that talk about the infamous Sutton Spoon, made me do a little research. Seems there is quite the controversy going on. Shocked

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First link explains the whys and the second is to a product that is supposedly a good imitation of the original which you can hardly get anymore. Undecided That's why Puckster and I came up empty handed on a first search..

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Reply #19 - Mar 12th, 2015 at 10:00pm
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Those Plazma spoons look identical to what I have at home.  I  couldn't find them through Sutton when I went to replace what I lost.  Eventually I found someone selling the Sutton "flutter" spoons on E-Bay, as I recall.  They were "new" & still in a package but who knows how old they really were.

They are by far the thinnest, lightest lures in my box.

I don't give a darn what they call them.   A rose by any other name....

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